Genealogy Chat

Was it normal to not have a birth or death reference for a stillborn child in the 1940's......there are details of the person (no sex given and no name)from the cemetary records along with the mothers, buried, but I cant find the birth or death reference.

will be on the still born register if they didnt draw breath

Form 1927 (or 29??) stillbirths were registered in the GRO stillbirths register. This is a closed register and the details are only accessible to the parents and siblings of the child. Before the above date stillbirths were not registered at all. Merry

where would that be jess?,ive only seen recods in burial lists so far.

I just got this from the GRO. So maybe there is a different register?? Stillbirths Obtaining Stillbirth Certificates Due to the sensitive nature of stillbirth registrations, the procedure for ordering a certificate of the entry differs from other types of certificates. We will only send out the application form after we have been contacted by phone or in writing by the mother or father (if he is named on the certificate). In cases where the parents are deceased, a brother or sister can apply if they can provide their parents’ dates of death.

It's held at the GRO at Southport. Note that half-siblings (like me) cannot access the registers :o(( Merry

arrr that explains it then....the grandaughter felt she had been told something that wasnt normally available-her dad(sibling of) wouldnt know how to enquire and we are doing his research....sad twist to a long story.......the mother had 6 year old twins when pregnant,gave birth to a son who later died aged 4,turns out there was a stillbirth on the same day....2 sets of twins.....mother died 2 months later of TB......twins put into care,the husband,not registered as their father marries again 9 months after and has 4 children in the space of 6 years.

Thanks for that Deb I had a brother who was stillborn and the older I get, the more I would like to know why he died. My parents would never speak of him and I think I would like to get his certificate, to make him part of the family I hand on to the next generation. OC

Is this the IoM saga? How sad :o(( Merry

Hi I know my grand /mother had a baby placed with her who was not related ,was informed by family it was usual if babys parent couldnt afford the burial.Dont know if this helps or not. Frankie

Ego How dare you throw that in here, blimey it should be on your rivetting thread - I might have missed it on here!!! He will be able to access the Stillbirth Register though, as he is a sibling. How is he coping with all this, by the way? OC

yep merry-and OC-just found out today.....sorry to bring up this subject.....just needed to be sure of the facts......a real rollercoaster this quest I can tell you.......the thread on BBC regarding it has now reached 1000 posts.Brian is getting edited highlights I think at the moment-I have so much info about his family on the IOM it might be too much all at once-Im trying to get it sorted into a sort of story,with pictures of the families homes there and the local church ith views of the 3 war memorials that refer to his uncle in WW2 who died in camp 17 Fukuoka.

OC - get on and do it then! They are VERY helpful at the GRO.....I'm not quite sure whether I was cast aside for being a half sibling, or really because I don't know when the stillbirth happened during a 12 year marriage. Good Luck Merry

Merry, Yes, I will - didnt know I could! I do know his date of birth but only because my daughter was born on the same day and month as him (not the same year, obviously) and it caused a bit of an upset in the family. OC

Ego I just want to say that I think you have done a wonderful thing for this man - something no-one else seemed able to do, or even interested. OC

Ego Must try to get the info on the stillbirth, can't leave it there. Did they get little Roger's death cert? I meant to ask on other site.

Ive discovered that he had a second uncle called ohn who was in canada by 1952- Ive got someone having a scout but Im not confident of finding any children of his (would be a first cousin for him) .

rogers death cert-not sure-but at least we know where-westmoreland-that will be the next enquiry after Marjorie and the child are found in carlisle.........gravestones to visit may help if they exist. I think the precise details will be sent in a day or two.

Are the Carlisle social services being anymore helpful about anything?

the lady involved is on holiday.