Genealogy Chat

Jim, once again I owe you for your help. Thanks a million. Now i have lots of homework to do away from the computer (well him indoors keeps on moaning that he can`t go on line to sort out his train set....oooppps sorry, model railway. Many ta`s once again Jim Kathlyn

Hi Kathlyn All looks fine but i am surprised how late the marriage was. Thought i would complete the set. 1841 View Record Edward Buller abt 1826 Warwickshire, England Shotswell Warwickshire View Record Elizabeth Buller abt 1832 Warwickshire, England Shotswell Warwickshire View Record Sarah Buller abt 1792 Shotswell Warwickshire View Record Thomas Buller abt 1788 Warwickshire, England Shotswell Warwickshire xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Father: Thomas , Mother: Sarah Exact Spelling: Off Batch Number: c043881 International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 10 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. EDWARD BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 APR 1826 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 2. MARY BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 26 FEB 1815 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 3. MARY BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 10 AUG 1818 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 4. MARIA BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 31 MAR 1824 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 5. GEORGE BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 JUL 1820 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 6. ELIZA BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUN 1828 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 7. ELIZABETH BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 11 DEC 1831 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 8. WILLIAM BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 APR 1813 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 9. THOMAS BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUN 1816 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 10. SARAH BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 25 AUG 1822 Shotteswell, Warwick, England

Hi Jim, With thanks for all the help I think I may have found Eliza.....Remember I said that one census gives her as being born in Shottswell, Wawick, and the other in Banbury, Oxon.....Well, I had a look at the map and guess what......Banbury and Shottswell are only abt 4 miles apart. I found an Eliza Buller, born in Shottswell who`s parents were.....Father Thomas born Great Bourton, Mother Sarah, born Great Bourton, which is about 3 miles from Banbury, and they married in Shottswell. I hope I have Bingo!!!!!!! Kathlyn

Geeeeee, so it went on in them days as well, you know living in sin!!!!. According to the birth dates of their children, the first child James was born in 1857 followed by usual time table of every two years with another child. Toms` birth cert states his mother as, Eliza Whitbread, formerly Buller. Tom was born on 10th October 1867. Kathlyn

This is from the freebmd site -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1875 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BULLER Eliza... Stepney 1c 907 CRAWLEY Timothy John... Stepney 1c 907 HOGSDEN Rosetta... Stepney 1c 907 Whitbread Henry... Stepney 1c 907 Gwyn

I uinderstand you have Toms birth cert? What is his mothers maiden name? I think it is doubtful that her name was anything other than Eliza IGI ELIZA BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUN 1828 Shotteswell, Warwick, England

Possibly he got married twice, first near where he grew up, and then again later when he'd gone where the work was. Of course, the first wife might have been left wondering where he'd gone! Possibly he never even formally married his second wife as a result...

Jim, you little darling you, thanks for looking this up for me. It was when I read your result that I realised I had had a senior moment!!!!! I was given a copy of Toms` birth cert by a joint rellie I had met on this site and that is how I came across his mothers name, Eliza...... But the plot thickens, please may I have your thoughts and ideas on this...... I searched Ancestry for the marriage of Eliza and Henry. I went through three years prior to the birth of the first child, ie. 1857. I found the following info for a....HENRY WHITBREAD, AMJ 1856 in Royston 3a 217...........I then did the same for an ELIZA/ELIZABETH BULLEN/BULLER, and look what I found...... Ester Bullen, AMJ 1856 Royston 5a 217............. Royston look ok for Henry as he came from Aspley Guise which is about 25 miles from Royston. Is this just a coincidence??????? OR was Eliza actually a Ester?????? Your thoughts gratefully received. Kathlyn

Missed it because i was looking for Thomas birth Tom Whitbread 1867 Oct-Nov-Dec West Ham Essex, Greater London

Thanks all who have replied. Henry was born in Aspley Guise, Beds and it seems most of his brothers and sisters moved to the dock area of London abt. 1855, to find work. I have managed to find the marriage of Henry and Eliza`s son Tom, but so far have not been successful with Toms` birth which was c1867. I have been looking for Eliza Bullen, but I see some of the replies have said Eliza Buller, so i will now give that name a try. Many thanks to you all for your interest. Kathlyn

Might be worth mentioning that West Ham used to house a lot of dock and railway workers, so that might give some clues as to how they met.

Matches 1861 1851 Eliza Buller Thomas abt 1829 Shotswell, Warwickshire, England Daughter Shotswell Warwickshire IGI ELIZA BULLER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUN 1828 Shotteswell, Warwick, England

I think that you should bear in mind that the Censuses should only be used as a Guide to your research - as has been said above, the information may have been given by anybody in the household. Jobs changed as people with certain skills moved about the country after the introduction of the railways. Many people, in fact, worked on the railways and as new lines were laid so the workforce moved from one area to another. Of course, people in steel and shipbuilding would have found that by moving from Liverpool, say, could improve their fortunes by moving to the east coast - Middlesbrough, Stockton etc,. and beyond. There is only one real proof of the pudding - BMD certificates.

Daughters birth? Ann Maria Whitbread 1860 Apr-May-Jun West Ham Essex, Wil give clues to finding marriage.

1861? Eliza Whitbread Henry abt 1831 Shots Well, Warwickshire, England Wife West Ham Essex

How about three places? 1871 Eliza Whitbread Henry abt 1830 Shadwell, Norfolk, England Wife West Ham Essex 1881 Eliza Whitbread Henry abt 1830 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife West Ham Essex

Not as unlikely as it sounds. My paternal G.grandfather is recorded on different years as being born in Wrexham, Chester and Warrington. I eventually proved that he was born in Warrington. Tony

Hi, no not a dumb question a perfectly logical one....Because all details of the rest of the household match, in particular her son TOM. Kathlyn

This might sound like a dumb question, but how do you know they're the same person?

Hi Reggie, In the 1881 census....ELIZA WHITBREAD (abt. 1830) is recorded as having been born in Birmingham, Wawickshire. In the 1891 census... ELIZA WHITBREAD (abt. 1830) is recorded as having been born in Banbuy, Oxon....... I have looked at a copy of the census thinking that when the info had been transcribed that is where the problem had risen, but the hadwriting is quite clear in both cases. Your thoughts much appreciated. Kathlyn