Genealogy Chat

Thankyou Christine in Portugal.You have been busy.Thankyou to everyone who took the time to post a reply.I will try and find an answer.

Just as an aside, even if he had been adopted (which he wasn't) his birth would still have been registered in his birth name. Post adoption, he would have been registered in his new name on the Adopted Children Register, not the birth register. Liz

Donna, If the baby was buried and you know the cemetery you should phone the cemeteries office that deals with that cemetery.(it will be on the Cheshire records site. They will have a record of which grave he is in even though it isn't marked in his name. The lady at the cemeteries office I contacted was extremely helpful and explained that babies who died only a few days or a few weeks old were sometimes buried with someone else being buried that day, or, put into a public grave. I found out where my dad's baby sister was buried that way. Good luck. Olivia

Today my mum and i took a visit to Dukinfield cemetery. A very kind man in the office helped with our search. We looked in every possible book they had and found nothing. We searched from 1939-1943.My mum's brother was Joseph William Wray born 25 /9/1940 at home at home 1 Brunswick street Dukinfield Cheshire. I even know which doctor the family would have had. My mum was only 4 or 5 at the time and was told that her mum Florence Wray had had a baby boy and that he had died shortly after. My mum was sent to stay with her grandmother for a while. I now believe that he didn't die after all. There was no record of him ,not even on the stillborn register .

What would be the procedure for have him PUT AWAY as they say?
Where would that be?

Interesting that before my grandfather died he destroyed a bag with all family certificates and documents in it.
I think he was hiding a secret that he was ashamed of.
If anyone can shed any light on this subject or give me some further advice i would appreciate it.
Thankyou.

Hi Donna
This is an absolute long shot but have you checked the births under the grandmother's maiden name? (mother's mother) or any other family name that runs through her family.
It's not illegal to change your name so long as it's not for illegal purposes.
My mother changed her name to her mother's maiden name and I am registered under that name. If anyone was doing a family tree on us I do not exist in that family.
I would imagine in order to place a child in an institution you would need an official certificate.
People go to extraordinary lengths to cover up family secrets.
Your grandfather may not be the father of the child but may have 'stood by' his wife on the proviso that the child was adopted or placed elsewhere.
Just my thoughts and Good Luck with your search.
Cheers Gerry

Thanks for your reply.
An interesting point. I had already checked under mothers maiden name and found nothing.I will go and check under grandmothers name now.
On the other subject of your name change. That happend to my Dad and his siblings,which made it difficult to trace in the beginning. His birth cert doesn't have his mother's real maiden name, but a totally different one. He and his older brother have The name PALMER, two of his siblings have DAY,next COTTON and the last twoo have her real maiden name of PICKIN. Very strange they all have the same father Pellling. I think these names must have beeen taken from my dad's grandmother. Maybe each time she remarried her daughter would change her name.
This is what makes it so interesting .

I have iust read though this fascinating thread! I never knew that a mother could use any name she chose to register a birth. You have given me food for thought and I'm off to re-try for those birth entries I've not been able to find. I hope you manage to find what you're looking for Donna - and thanks!

Hi Donna,

* you know
- the date and place of Joseph William's birth
- and that Joseph William was not a stillbirth.

* Births must be registered within six weeks.

So, would it be not be possible to have a search done at the local registry office, of all births - starting with the date of the birth - for a child born at that address?

Victoria

Thanks ,I think i'll do that.I found that Births and stillborns need to be registerd within 42 days and deaths need to be registerd within 5 days.