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I have a relative who died in the 1950's - he was born in Ireland, but I suspect his birth was registered under a false name as the parents would have been 15 at the time. I have that certificate, which gives a DOB - my problem now is that I need a record from some time in his life that would allow me to compare.

Does anyone know if it's possible to verify this from his medical records or NI records? I don't want the actual records, just to verify that Thomas Lough DD MM 1896 existed.

Where did he die
Have you found his death cert

Personal records wouldn't be available i,m afraid

Did he remain in Ireland or was he elsewhere at any time
ie. in England/Wales where he might be picked up on the 1939 register

Not seeing a death in England/Wales that would fit, nor Scotland.

Is his birth the one in Clones, Co. Monaghan 1896 with family at Smithborough, Drumsnat, Monaghan in 1901 and Ormeau, Co. Down 1911

Residents of a house 29 in Smithborough (Drumsnat, Monaghan)

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Thomas was b 05/05/1896
Birth Reg. Clones Co Monaghan

Father was a Farmer at the time and mother was nee Armstrong.








Lough Francis 42 Male Head of Family Irish Church Wine and Spirit Dealer
Lough Katie 37 Female Wife Irish Church
Lough Lillie 15 Female Daughter Irish Church
Lough Jennie 13 Female Daughter Irish Church
Lough Frank 9 Male Son Irish Church
Lough Matthew 7 Male Son Irish Church
Lough Thomas 5 Male Son Irish Church ********
Lough Margaret 3 Female Daughter Irish Church
Lough George 1 Male Son Irish Church

Thomas, son of Francis (above), was later a carpenter, and travelled to the US in 1926.

New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
name(s) Thomas Lough
Sex Male
Age 30
Birth year 1896
Birth place Britain
Arrival year 1926
Arrival city New York
Arrival state New York
Arrival country United States
Ship name Carinthia
Country United States

On the passenger record, his nearest relative is given as his mother, Mrs Lough of 24 Deramore Ave, Belfast.
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Northern Whig - Monday 10 July 1916
Riflemen, Matthew and Frank Lough (South Belfast Volunteers), wounded, are sons of Mrs Lough 24 Deramore Avenue. The former was shot in the forehead and the latter in the leg.

This is his death 1942 (so perhaps not the Thomas you're looking for?)

Name Thomas Lough
Event Type Death
Event Date 03 Mar 1942
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Address 85 W. 104 St.
Residence Place New York, New York, New York
Gender Male
Age 46
Marital Status Single
Race White
Occupation Carpenter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1896
Birthplace Ireland
Burial Date 05 Mar 1942
Burial Place Nyack, N.Y.
Cemetery Rural Cemetery
Father's Name Frank
Father's Birthplace Ireland
Mother's Name Catherine Armstrong
Mother's Birthplace Ireland

Your opening post is a little cryptic.

What is the DOB and name on the death certificate that you have?

Do you suspect he was born Thomas Lough? Or did he change his name to Thomas Lough?

https://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/ancestors/thread/439358

(old 'Thread' above, if relates somewhere!)

Chris :)

(from above)

My grandfather, THOMAS LOUGH, joined the Glasgow Police in 1906. He gave the following information.
Date of birth - 12 Dec 1886 at Finaghy, Drumbo, Co. Down
Previous employment as the Royal Garrison Artillery.
But, no records of the birth seem to exist. So the information can not be assumed to be correct...

So you have a certificate. What info does it give ???

So this would be the military record for the Thomas in thread posted by Chris:

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Lough
Age 18
Birth year 1885
Birth county Down (Parish of Drumbo)
Birth country Ireland
Service number 17362
Regiment Royal Garrison Artillery
Year 1903
Residence town Glasgow
Residence county Lanarkshire
Residence country Scotland
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Next of kin: Mother: Mary, 18 Marlborough Gardens. Possibly a brother, Henry (difficult to read).

Mother then crossed through as he marries Jessie Sinclair in 1908

This is likely the family in 1901:

Ireland Census 1901 Transcription
Residents of a house 84 in Palestine Street (Cromac, Antrim)
Mary Lough Head of Family Widowed 29 1872 Down
Hugh Lough Son Single 10 1891 Down
Thomas Lough Son Single 12 1889 Down
Hannah Lough Daughter Single 5 1896 Down
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Daughter Hannah was born 20th July 1895 at 5 Marlboro Avenue. Father: James, Mother: Mary Jane Hanna.

Another son, Samuel, born 1893, died in 1894 aged 6 months.

Their father, James, died 1898:

Death:
First name(s) James
Last name Lough
Age at death 26
Birth year 1872
Registered year 1898
Registered quarter/year Oct - Dec 1898
Registration district Belfast
Volume 1 Page 243
County Antrim, Down
Country Ireland

The service record for the above T Lough Glasgow states,

occupation-- smiths helper.

joined at age 18 -10m --on 14-12-03.

Don't know if this is connected, but a possible if the rest of the family also followed on to Glasgow:

On the 1920 electoral registers for Glasgow there is a Hugh Lough residing at 19 View Park Avenue. There are lots of people living in the same household- among them is a Mrs Mary Munro and Robert Munro. Munro is extremely common so it may not be connected, but worth keeping in mind.

I don't see Hugh listed in Glasgow after 1920

In 1911 census, there's a Thomas Lough aged 24, living in the Gorbals reg district, Glasgow.

In the same household there's a Jessie Lough aged 21.

also two children -
Thomas, 2
Maggie, 0


Thomas junior's birth:

LOUGH
THOMAS
M
1908
646/3 1484
Partick


Possibly Maggie's - though not in Glasgow:

LOUGH
MAGGIE
F
1910
510/1 71
Dunoon

Thomas senior's death ??

LOUGH
THOMAS
64
1951
644/10 422
Milton

Possibly Jessie's death ??

LOUGH
JESSIE
53
1945
644/3 597
Camlachie

Hugh's medal card:

First name(s) Hugh
Last name Lough
Year 1914-20
Service number 9717
Rank Private
Regiment Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Service record Soldier Number: 9717, Rank: Private, Corps: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Medal type British Army Medal Index Cards, 1914-1920
Archive reference WO372/12
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
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Hugh died in 1924 Ulster Volunteer Force Hospital:

Northern Whig - Wednesday 05 March 1924

LOUGH: February 29th 1924 at the UVF Hospital, Hugh Lough, late first Inniskilling Fusiliers, the beloved son of the late James and Mary Lough, Glasgow. Funeral to family burial ground, Drumbo, today (Wednesday) at 1pm.
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There is also a photo of Hugh in Larne Times - Saturday 28 August 1915. He was wounded at the Dardenelles and in hospital at Port Said.

So, the 1924 article confirms that Mary was in Glasgow.