Genealogy Chat

Thanks greyghost and Argyllgran for letting me know this way :-) I have been busy and absent for a few days and had not seen that.

Glad to have helped, Patrick, and wish you well with your new-found family!

Births Jun 1858
Eyles Rebecca St. Luke 1b 545

Marriages Mar 1886
EYLES Rebecca Westminster 1a 791
SHORTEN Hubert Cecil Westminster 1a 791

Births Mar 1892
Shorten Alfred George Croydon 2a 218

Births Dec 1894
Shorten William Croydon 2a 196
SHORTEN, WILLIAM EYLES
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 196


so they registered fritz as if they were married giving him Shorten as one of his names

Name: Fritz Adolf Shorten Sussenbach
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Search Photos: Search for 'Croydon' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 323 Morland Rd, Croydon
Occupation: School
Registration district: Croydon
Registration District Number: 39
Sub-registration district: North Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 33
Piece: 3368
Household Members:
Name Age
Adolf Carl Sussenbach 48 occ hairdresser
Rebecca Shorten Sussenbach 52
Alfred George Shorten 19 stepson
William Shorten 16 stepson
Fritz Adolf Shorten Sussenbach 11
Lizzie Jones 3 adopted daughter
says married 13 years one child

Marriages Mar 1907
Shorten Rebecca Croydon 2a 525
Sussenbach Adlof Carl Croydon 2a 525



SUSSENBACH, FRITZ ADOLF SHORTEN EYLES
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 272

so Eyles was his mmn which explains the 1935 birth of Frederick Eyles Sussenbach

so i have worked out what seems to be the family dynamics
its all a bit tangled up and maybe a bit delicate so will pm you with the 1939 register and how it all seems to fit in

gosh its all tangled up

she did actually marry Frederick /Fritz
First name(s) FRITZ A S
Last name SUSSENBACH
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1924
Registration month -
Spouse's last name Sussenbach Or Shorten or white
District Croydon
District number -
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 835

First name(s) ELSIE G
Last name SUSSENBACH
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1924
Registration month -
Spouse's last name Sussenbach Or Shorten
District Croydon
District number -
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 835

his name was Frederick Adolf Shorten Sussenbach
They had two children by 1930 who are living with Frederick in 1939

1939 register
Crayson Household (5 People) 37 Montacute Road , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Elsie G Bark 16 Jan 1905 Unpaid Domestic Duties
George Crayson 27 Mar 1898 Airways Maintenance Labourer
Norah B S Crayson 05 Oct 1901 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

so she had separated from Frederick Sussenbach by 1935 but wasnt actually married till 1940 to Albert E Bark


First name(s) ELSIE GWENDOLINE
Last name BARK
Gender Female
Birth day 16
Birth month 1
Birth year 1905
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1980
District Brighton
County Sussex
Volume 18
Page 0266
Country England

First name(s) ELSIE GWENDOLINE
Last name WHITE
Birth year 1905
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Croydon
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 307


First name(s) ALBERT EDWARD
Last name BARK
Gender Male
Birth day 26
Birth month 10
Birth year 1906
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1981
District Haywards Heath
County Sussex
Volume 18
Page 1683
Country England

his mum
marriages June 1940
Bark Albert E Sussenbach Croydon 2a 2368
Bark Albert E White Croydon 2a 2368

Sussenbach Elsie G Bark Croydon 2a 2368
White Elsie G Bark Croydon 2a 2368

He didn't change his name he was registered in his mums current name it looks like his father is named on the birth certificate who has a different name

He isnt actually blood related to you though

He seems to have been registered under both surnames ..............

the same as yours mmn White

same place, volume and page number.


There is also a ?sister registered in 1930 under the complex name

New thread started by Patrick yesterday (addressed to JC) - copied below.

Greyghost has advised him to keep everything on this thread.


"you helped me with Michael E Bark that had moved to Newzealand, just had a letter back from his wife, and she is sure that Michael was born Michael E Bark, i have just sent off for his birth certificate to make sure, it is now getting interesting because if i am right i have a new part of my family over there, somehow i have to find out when he changed his name to Bark, will keep you informed."

Thank you all for your reports and advice, i do not know how you all replied so quick as i could not find anything, maybe it is because i am a learner then i put it down to my surname you see it has always been a problem and that is why Michael changed his to Bark.

Again thank you all

and sadly his 2011 death notice

http://www.amemorytree.co.nz/remembrance.php?personid=184258

It seems you would need to order a copy, but it would likely give family names.

There is a link there to the funeral home that doesn't work but this is the correct link:

http://www.whitestonefuneralsoamaru.co.nz/

and there is a form there for contacting it.

(Info sent by private message with instructions for getting back to thread)

edit - message read a while ago ...

?? Helen Elizabeth Bark born 17/4/1943 died California 5/2/2005.

Maryb

did Michael attend school in New Zealand?

(if so, that's an important fact not mentioned)

Michael E Bark is listed here, and there is an email address

http://www.sinjuns.com/attendancerecord.html

He posted a message there in 2003 with same email address:

http://www.sinjuns.com/guestbooks/guestbook2003r.html

Michael Eric Bark occ civil engineer
Electoral Year: 1981
District: Eastern Hutt
Region or Province: Wellington
With Helen Elizabeth Bark occ secretary

56 Ngahere street

possible contact info, although he would seem a little old for a match

http://nzbusinessdb.com/company/3225488/harbour-city-computers-limited

they are both listed as directors for this 1988 incorporation

https://nzcompany.org/co.php?id=414555

but the company shows as "removed"

Well done Mary.

On the 1978 and 1981 NZ electoral roll, he and Helen Elizabeth Bark are in Eastern Hutt, Wellington.

... Ah, Mary edited to add that info.

Michael Eric Bark born 21/6/1936 in London
Naturalization Record 28/8/1978 New Zealand
certificate register 345
Page 110


1978 56,Ngahere Street Eastern Hutt Wellington new Zealand
Helen Elizabeth Bark secretary
Michael Eric Bark electrical engineer

Maryb.

Just for accuracy, she was Helen E SAUER, but must have been born outside England/Wales?

No better luck finding anything about them. Possibly they emigrated? Passenger records are only accessible before 1961.

Do you know Michael's (or Helen's) middle names? If they are deceased, that might help locate obituaries on line, for example.

Only the birth and marriage show on the records

Is it possible they emigrated