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Is this your family in 1911??

If so, it does seem to be the guy who got his Naturalization in 1897, not 1891 as you think.

Who told you it was 1891??


1911 Census

Name: John Micheal Scholer
Age in 1911: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Germany
Civil Parish: Wembley
Search Photos: Search for 'Wembley' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 42 Chaplin Road, Wembley, Middlx
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Retired Refreshment Room Keeper
Registration district: Hendon
Registration District Number: 130
Sub-registration district: Harrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 194
Piece: 7090

John Micheal Scholer 55
Agnes Charlotte Scholer 53 b.ca 1858, St Pancras, Surrey
John Micheal Scholer 22 b.ca 1889, Kensington. London, Single, Student
Annie Evelyn Beasley 22 Servant

From image:-

Married 24 years, 4 children born, 2 children died, 2 still alive

this looks like a fuller version of the Naturalisation of Johann Michael Scholer posted by DET

this is from ancestry ..........

UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1912

Name: Johann Michael Scholer
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1855
Birth Place: Mengen, Baden
Record Type: Certificate of Naturalisation
Relationship: Self
Event Date: 27 Jul 1897
Event Country Region: United Kindom
Residence Year: 1897
Residence Place: Bloomsbury, London
Father: Michael Maxis
Mother: Anna Maxis
Children: John Michael Scholer
Kate Florence Scholer

from image:-

Address:- 38 Museum Street, Bloomsbury, London
Age:- 42
Occupation:- Refreshment Room Keeper
Age of children: John Michael age 9, Kate Florence age 1

Residence status:- has resided in UK for 5 out of the last 8 years

Ann as part of the address line is missing I can't tell what I'm looking for and when I go to the St Leonards Housing it all seems too recent.

DET - Not sure, my information is that he was naturalised in 1891 and this is 6 years later. Would it take that long for it to be on a certificate?

Is this relevant, or a different person?

Reference: HO 334/26/9772
Description:

Naturalisation Certificate: Johann Michael Scholer. From Germany. Resident in London. Certificate A9772 issued 27 July 1897.
Date: 1897
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record
Language: English
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11727679

PARISH OF ST LEONARD CHRIST CHURCH | The National Archives

discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/cc76a985-fe...





PARISH OF ST LEONARD CHRIST CHURCH ... St Leonards on Sea House Improvement Society Ltd; ... Church of England, St Leonards Christ Church Parish, ...

Thanks Ann
I've got most of the UK info but I'm struggling to find out exactly when John Scholer arrived and where from. He was naturalised British in 1891 so I guess I need to track down that record as it should have a bit of information. Then it's on to Charlotte/Agnes whose roots I think are in Dublin...

Thanks Ann
I've got most of the UK info but I'm struggling to find out exactly when John Scholer arrived and where from. He was naturalised British in 1891 so I guess I need to track down that record as it should have a bit of information. Then it's on to Charlotte/Agnes whose roots I think are in Dublin...

Thanks Ann
I've got most of the UK info but I'm struggling to find out exactly when John Scholer arrived and where from. He was naturalised British in 1891 so I guess I need to track down that record as it should have a bit of information. Then it's on to Charlotte/Agnes whose roots I think are in Dublin...

I've sent a message to Ian telling him to return

The problem with Germany is that for earlier records, there is no central listing for BMD. You'd need to contact each State archive to request a search.
The links from Cyndislist given earlier explains the proceedure. The problem you appear to have is that you don't know whereabouts your family originated.

How about making contact with an Anglo-German FHS? They are likely to be more familiar with the difficulties and might have alternative suggestions.
If your German ancestors were Jewish, then other data bases are available

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Name Harry J Waghorn
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1919
Registration District Hendon
County Middlesex
Event Place Hendon, Middlesex, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Scholer
Volume 3A
Page 975
Line Number 103

Scholer probably married one of the following people
Name Kate F Scholer

connected?????????

Name John Richard Scholer
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Middlesex
Parish Wembley
Sub-District Harrow
Registration District Hendon
Gender Male
Age 55
Birthplace Germany Res;
Record Type Household

Name John Scholer
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Wembley, Middlesex, England
County Middlesex
Civil Parish Wembley
Ecclesiastical Parish Wembley St John
Sub-District Harrow
Registration District Hendon
Residence Note Chaplin Road
Gender Male
Age 45
Occupation REFRESHMENT ROOM KEEPER
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1856
Birthplace Germany
Schedule Type 67
Page Number 9


John Scholer Head M 45 Germany
Agnes Scholer Wife F 43 Hastings
Kate Scholer Daughter F 5 London

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Name John M Scholer
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County London
Parish St Pancras
Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHN
Registration District Pancras
Residence Note Tottenham Court Road
Gender Male
Age 35
Marital Status Married
Occupation Refreshment Room Keeper
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1856
Birthplace England
Page Number 3
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 121/ 136


John M Scholer Head M 35 England
Agnes Scholer Wife F 33 St Leonards On Sea, England
John M Scholer Son M 3 London, England
Agnes E Scholer Daughter F 9M London, England
Helen S Eaves Servant F 22 Suffolk, England
Jane Smith Servant F 43 England
Elizabeth Parkyn Servant F 21 London, England
Harvey Colley Servant M 18 London, England
Frederic G Deare Servant M 19 Dublin
George A Domain Servant M 19 London, England
Sarah Drower Servant F 18 London, England

Name Charlotte Agnes Dickson
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1886
Registration District Hastings
County Sussex
Event Place Hastings, Sussex, England
Volume 2B
Page 56
Line Number 284

Charlotte Agnes Dickson probably married one of the following people

Name John Michael Scholer

Thanks Ann but not my relations.

My John Michael Scholer married Charlotte Agnes Dickson in Hastings, 1886.

connection???

Name Johann Schuler
Spouse's Name Christina Schondelmaier
Event Date 30 Apr 1878
Event Place Weiler, Baden, Germany
Father's Name Michael Schuler
Mother's Name Anna Muller
Spouse's Father's Name Matthias Schondelmaier
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Haas

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Name Johann Michael Schueler
Gender Male
Wife Magdalena Barbara Strecker
Daughter Maria Magdalena Schueler



Name Maria Magdalena Schueler
Event Date 1883
Gender Female
Birth Date 20 Jun 1883
Birth Year 1883
Birthplace THALHEIM
Christening Date 08 Jul 1883
Christening Place EVANGELISCH, STOECKENBURG, JAGSTKREIS, WUERTTEMBERG

Looking for my great grandfather John Michael Scholer born about 1856 in Baden (I think) and his father Michael Scholer a farmer.

you're a gem Cynthia :-)