Genealogy Chat

Good move to ask on General about subscription levels. Lets hope someone can sort it out for you.

Re Ancestry Subscription.

If you go through
http://www.quidco.com/search/?search=ancestry
It says you can get 'up to' 25% discount
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Arthur's Death reg
Name: Arthur Fred Ranson
Birth Date: 22 Apr 1901
Date of Registration: Mar 1987
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Tower Hamlets
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 1330

As the DC notes that he was cremated, look for a crematorium close to his usual address.

ive asked about ancestry on general chat

it states on arthurs death cert that after post mortem he was cremated

You said you were planning to subscribe to Ancestry next week. Before you do, see if you can find a discount code as there are usually some about. You could start a new thread on this board asking if anyone knows of one.
Quite a few people say they purchase Family Tree Maker using their Tesco Points just so they can get discounted access.

If you wanted access to the Bexley records and baptism, marriage and burial ones for London, I suspect you’d need the Premier package rather than the Essentials. But do ask ‘the board’ as that could be wrong. Like many FH sites, they do offer a 14 day free trial. If you decide its not for you, remember to phone to cancel about 10 days from signing up.

Most libraries have access under a common license if that helps.

Lilian was Lily!! For once, Lily wasn't a diminutive of Lilian :-D
At least you've got a definative date of death and last known address which is a help. In case you missed it, that was on the probate entry.

In case you weren't aware, you can search for those at no charge on https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Bear in mind that not all Estates went to Probate, and those that were may be filed the year or more later. If you decide to use the site, check which year range tab is highlighted. There are 3

Wills and Probate 1996 to present
Wills and Probate 1858 – 1996
Soldier's Wills

Out of interest, how or where did you find Arthur's cremation, or was that from family papers? You might be able to teach us a trick or two.

Public Graves -

John Edward Ranson buried in C853.
On the same page, Richard Baker aka Couchman was buried in the same plot on 10 Nov. On 14 Nov, so were Louise Laux and Albert John Newman.

William John Cyril Russell buried in E 454
That one looks as if it might be a common grave as well
On 23 May Winifred Roden was buried, Walter Smith was buried in it on 13 June & Frederick William Warren on 21 June.

Beatrice Ethel Russell buried in C719
Looks like the same for her. At least 2 burials in the same plot on 18 Feb & 22 Feb.
Florence Gertrude Howell on 18 Feb & one other on 22 Feb (image with name seems to be missing)

Tthank you
I am checking my tree to see if ive got any of lilians living rellies I can contact about her

Assuming Lily was buried close to her Chislehurst home, you could email the Cemeteries office based in Orpington

Cemeteries office,
High Elms Country Park,
Shire Lane,
Orpington, BR6 7JH
[email protected]

They do charge £44 per enquiry!

http://tiny.cc/js1z6x

thank you

"john Edward ransons that you found for me Erith cemetery have emailed me to say public grave with 4 others not relatives "

I'll have another look (later or tomorrow) comparing plot numbers to see if there were any others buried at roughly the same time. If Erith Cem say its a publc grave, then that could be the case. Alternatively, but unlikely given what they've said, it could have been 'rented' for a given number of years, then re-used.

"if this is so for my granddad grandmother and uncle im amazed "...... the example for OH's rellies given earlier? We were surprised they didn't have headstones. If their children had clubbed together, they could have afford it. Perhaps in both of our cases, the money could have been put to use to benefit the living!

thank you
thats Arthur thank you and Horace ernest ranson is my lovely father
yes these are lilians brothers and yes that's correct lilian was born in
Ipswich
is there anyway I can trace lilians burial ???

Although not relevant to her burial

The 1911 shows she was born in Ipswich

Name: Lily Ranson
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Crayford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 65 North End Road, Erith, Kent
Occupation: School
Registration district: Dartford
Registration District Number: 43
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 65
Piece: 3738

John Edward Ranson 43
Thirza Ranson 38
John Edward Ranson 14
Lily Ranson 13
Arthur Ranson 9
Wilfred Ranson 7
Horace Ranson 5
Walter Ranson 2

Birth reg
Name: Lily Thirza Ranson
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 924

Marriage
Name: Lily Thirza Ranson
Birth Year: abt 1898
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage or Bann Date: 29 Sep 1919
Parish: Erith, Kent, England
Father: John Edward Ranson
Spouse: George Henry Harris
Spouse Age: 23
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Father: George Harris
Parish as it Appears: Erith, Christ Church
Chapelry: Christ Church

Probate –
Lily Thirza Harris
Probate Date: 18 May 1966
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 27 Feb 1966
Death Place: Kent, England

Of Kevington Drive, Chislehurst died at Gravesend & North Kent Hospital Kent, Probate to George Henry Harris retired confectioner and tobacconist. £793

She wasn't buried in any of the Bexley cemeteries, nor is there anything relevant on deceased on line

hi
youre a star
do you think that all my family that you have kindly found for me in consecrated ground is a public grave as john Edward ransons that you found for me Erith cemetery have emailed me to say public grave with 4 others not relatives
if this is so for my granddad grandmother and uncle im amazed
I will send the grave nos to Erith cemertery that you kindly found for me and hope they don't come back as public graves
thank you you are a star

Still can't find anything for Lilian (Harris)

Looking for any Ransons b 1897, the following baptism came up, possibly her brothers?

Arthur Fred Ranson
Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1901
Baptism Place: Bexleyheath, Kent, England
Parish as it Appears: Bexleyheath, Christ Church
Chapelry: Christ Church
Father: John Edward Ranson
Mother: Thriza Rosina Ranson
Looks like Reicill Ave or Rd

Horace Ernest Ranson
Baptism Date: 27 May 1906
Baptism Place: Belvedere, Kent, England
Parish as it Appears: Belvedere
Chapelry: All Saints
Father: John Edward Ranson
Mother: Jane Rosina Shurza Ranson
270, Brook St

Name: Thomas Walter William Russell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1914
Age: 6
Death Date: abt 1920
Death Place: Erith
Burial Date: 12 Oct 1920
Burial Place: Erith, Kent, England
Cemetery: Erith Cemetery
Grave number: E/616

From the image
Register no 4108
Age 6, died 41 Brook St, Erith on 12 Oct 1920
Ceremony performed by H M Watson?
Class C grave, plot E/616 Consecrated ground
From the parish of St Paul’s North’d Heath

Sorry- nothing for Beatrice Winifred Ranson, or Beatrice W anyone in the All Bexley, Kent, England, Cemetery Registers, 1879-1985
It could be that if she wasn’t baptised, she wouldn’t be buried “from the parish”, and may have been placed in an adult’s coffin.

Assuming Erith Cemetery, the following adult records show

Thomas Robert Hawker Ladd age 58 died 9 Nov 1931, Bur 13 Nov C182
Harriett Jarvis age 71 died 11 Nov 1931, Bur 16 Nov E496*
John Riley Ritson age 70 died 16 Nov 1931, Bur 19 Nov M846 (unconsecrated) ground)
Andrew Smith age 71 died 16 Nov 1931, Bur 20 Nov E496*
Obviously, there are later records.

* These 2 are from different Parishes, with no obvious connection to each other. However, they are recorded as being buried in the same plot.

Name: Beatrice Ethel Russell
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age: 60
Death Date: 26 Feb 1946
Death Place: Bexleyheath
Burial Date: 26 Feb 1946
Burial Place: Erith, Kent, England
Cemetery: Erith Cemetery
Grave number: C719

From the image
Entry 10786
Age 60
Died 121 Bedonwell Road, Bexleyheath
Date of death 21 Feb (26th is on succeeding records – will correct)
Ceremony performed by John Wells? Wilkinson on 26 Feb 1946
Class C space, Plot C719
Consecrated ground
From the parish of St Paul’s, Erith

William John Cyril Russell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1879
Age: 50
Death Date: abt 1929
Burial Date: 13 Jun 1929
Burial Place: Erith, Kent, England
Cemetery: Erith Cemetery
Grave number: E 454

From the image
Entry no 5762
Age 50
Place of death Seaman’s Hospital, Royal Albert Dock E.
Date of burial June 13 1929
Ceremony performed by W M Browne
Class C grave space, plot E 454 in Consecrated ground
Removed from the parish of St Paul’s Northumberlandheath

thank you for reply
ive just found Arthur fred ranson death cert he was cremated march 13 1987
I have lilian as lilian thirza harris I found a gro for lilian f harris dec qtr 1966 Bromley reg????
may I ask another favour for details of some deaths
they are of great interest to me my grandfather William john Cyril Russell died seamans hospital june the 8th 1929 sub district of silvetown county of west ham c b
aged 50 yrs
his wife my grandmother Beatrice ethel Russell died febuary 21st 1946 place of death bedonwell road Bexleyheath sub ditrict of Erith kent aged 60yrs
my sister Beatrice Winifred ranson leney park road Erith kent November 11th 1931
aged 1 week
my uncle Thomas walter William Russell died October 5th 1920 brook street Erith kent aged 6 years{Erith cemertery is situated on brook street so poos Thomas burial at that cemetery
as I say im hopeing to join ancestry later this week
I would be grateful if you can find anything