Genealogy Chat

Julie, after all that you must let us know the result!
jan

And I have ordered the Birth Cert so hopefully that might shed some light :) Just a waiting game, and Im so impatient once I start something

Ok so Ive confused people..(also Blonde myself lol) Alice (my dads mom) was assumed" adopted by a lady called Fanny. However Fanny had the SAME surname on the 1911 census as Alice. Fanny was 17, so putting 2 and 2 together and probably getting 5! I wondered if Fanny could have been the mom but nan and grandad wouldnt allow it. then later on in life, Fanny said she had adopted Alice but really was her mom???? Im just guessing this as its a coindicence in 1911 they had same surname. And infact a brother or half brother of Fanny in the 1911 census had the surnane "woolgar Fisher" so again, is it the same Woolger gene I wonder. I think I need to try and find out who Rosannah was before married Edwards as she had only been married to him for 11 year and Fanny was 17, so obviously not his child. Are you still with me :)

hi everyone
not been on for a while hope you dont mind my coming back i just read jax note it looks to me that fanny is alices mum you cant adopt a child at seventeen you have to be 21 years older than the child unless it is a relative and then you have to be 21 this happened to me i was of to court when the welfare officer came home and told me this. As i was 17 yrs and my nephew 4yrs as i had been looking after him for 2yrs i was still only 19 so i had to wait for my 21st birthday i finely adopted him then he was at this time 6yrs now he is 48 yrs how time flys

sylvia

1881 England Census
about Rose Hannah Fisher
Name: Rose Hannah Fisher
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Fisher
Gender: Female
Where born: Wellington, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Wellington
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address: Lawley Common
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wellington
George Fisher 21
Rose Hannah Fisher 23
Joseph Charles Fisher 4
Ann Eleanor Fisher 2

???


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Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
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Fisher George Salford 8d 77
Fisher Rosannah Salford 8d 77

1891 England Census
about Susannah Fisher
Name: Susannah Fisher
[Rosannah Fisher]
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Lawley Common, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Dawley Magna
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Dawley Magna
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England


Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Dawley

Susannah Fisher 34
Ann Eleanor Fisher 12
Rosannah Fisher 6
Eliza Fisher 5
William Fisher 3
Alice Fisher 2
William Woolgar 41

Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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Fisher Rosannah Prestwich 8d 525
WOOLGAR William Prestwich 8d 525

She could well be Fanny's daughter but the cert is needed in this case

Actually, I did have a blonde/grey moment there - lost the original query regarding getting a cert!
Maybe you do need to purchase this Julie.
Jan

Family in1901

1901 England Census
about Rosehannah Edwards
Name: Rosehannah Edwards
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Edward Edwards
Gender: Female
Where born: Wellington, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Dawley
Ecclesiastical parish: Dawley Magna Holy Trinity
Town: Dawley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Dawley
John Edward Edwards 44
Rosehannah Edwards 44
Harriett Fisher 19
Hannah Eliz Edwards 18
William Henry Edwards 16
William Woolgar Fisher 13
Enoch Edwards 12
Alice Woolgar Fisher 11
Cyril Woolgar Fisher 9
Fanny Woolgar 7

Just think BJ, my mother has died her hair blond for years, now its natural, saves her loads of money. I'm still at the stage of paying!

Sorry Julie, just having a "senior" moment!

Soz Jax - you are getting down to the serious business why I'm having a senior moment!

Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Edwards John Edward Wellington, Sh. 6a 1557
Woolgar Rosannah Wellington,Sh. 6a 1557

Why would a 17 year old adopt a baby?

1911 England Census
about Alice Eliza Woolgar
Name: Alice Eliza Woolgar
Age in 1911: 4/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Grand Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dawley, Salop, England
Civil parish: Dawley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Burton St, Dawley, Salop
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Madeley
Registration District Number: 348
Sub-registration district: Dawley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 324
Piece: 16018
Household Members: Name Age
John Edward Edwards 54
Rosannah Edwards 54
William Henry Edwards 26
Cyril Woolgar Fisher 19
Fanny Woolgar 17
Alice Eliza Woolgar 4/12

Thank goodness for that Flip. As I was born blonde and am now grey sometimes I think there is little hope for me! :-D :-D

No Jan you are never confused! I took this on face value and assumed (obviously wrongly) she was adopted, from what Julie had posted.

I'm a bit confused (as always!).
Sorry if I am missing it, but do you have her birth cert?

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
WOOLGAR Alice E Madeley 6a 524

Jan

Firstly, if your grandmother was adopted it is highly unlikely you will ever find her true parentage - official adoption didn't start until 1927 and anything before this was "unofficial" and not recorded. It was often, but not always, within the famiily - my great aunt was "adopted" in 1911 and there is nothing on her original parentage to be found because we don't know her original name - even though we know the parish she came from.

Do you have her on the 1911 census?

No Im happy for any Help. My Grandmother Name is Alice Eliza Woolgar from Wellington or Madeley in Shropshire (DOB 1910 Nov) and so far I have found her registered with her grandparents John Edwards and Rosannah Edwards (this is where I get Stuck, cant find much about Rosannah, ie her name before Edwards apart from DOB 1857 and Died 1926/7) It seems that Rosannah did have a Daughter called Fanny (also known as Charlotte) Woolgar at the same adress in 1911, so either Fanny was Alices Mother (unmarried?) or just had the same dad? My Dad was always under the impression that Fanny adopted my Grandmother (His mom) so this is why I am intreguied to find out who my actual great grandmother was. Any help much appreciated, tips on where to look next etc of even any findings

Each child has two sets of grandparents.......the maternal ones - by definition - do not have the same surname as their grandchild

Have you tried looking for a marriage for the child's surname to that of the grandparents?

Have you looked at 1901 to see who was in the grandparents' household? A potential parent for the child could be there..........

BUT....why not let us try to help you?

Or do you prefer not to?

If you care to post the names, then people could take a look for you. Its amazing what turns up with afresh pair of eyes.

Andy

The Person I am tracing was born circa 1910 and Im trying to find out her parents as the 1911 census says she was a grandchild at that address and obviously the birth record doesnt list the mother's name. The grandparents name is not the same as the grandchilds so my research has me to belive that the grandaprents had been married before but following the grnadmorther side I can find no recollection of her before she married the grandfather, so Im now going down the birth certificate route. Hope that made sense!