Genealogy Chat

Hi David,
Your Eliza Clarke was his 3rd wife.
All I can tell is that after being widowed from Betsey Richardson, he was very briefly married to Eliza Green.
Marriage in 2nd qutr of 1868, but her death is recorded about a year later, 2rd qutr of 1869.
As she was 45 yrs old at time of death, it is possible that Green was a previous married name?


MARRIAGE:
View Record Eliza Green Apr-May-Jun 1868 Boston Lincolnshire
Order
Record
View Record Edward Wells Gunniss Apr-May-Jun 1868 Boston Lincolnshire
Order
Record


DEATH
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Eliza Gunniss
Name: Eliza Gunniss
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1869
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Boston
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 235 (click to see others on page)


There are no Gunnis births recoreden in Lincolnshire between 1868 and 1869, suggesting that there were no children born into the marriage.
However I did find the birth and death of another Gunniss child from 1873.
Harriet Gunniss must be another child born to Edward with Eliza Clarke.

Birth
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Harriet Gunniss
Name: Harriet Gunniss
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1873
Registration district: Boston
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 396 (click to see others on page)

Death
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Harriet Gunniss
Name: Harriet Gunniss
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1873
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Boston
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 270 (click to see others on page)




Anne

Hi Anne,

I always knew either my grand father or great grand father was married 3 times I guess it was my great grand father, do you have any info on the 3rd wife?

David,
I had a look on Ancestry.
There are two different public trees containing this family.
Note that the 1881 census had the name amended from Gurmiss to Gunniss.
This was done by one of the tree owners

Betsey Gunniss (Maiden Name Richardson ) 1832-1866
was born in Frampton, Lincs the daughter of John Richardson and Maria Percival

It is possible that Edward was married 3 times!

1st to BETSEY RICHARDSON in 1851
Children:
Sarah Jane b 1853
Elizabeth b 1855
William Bradford 1857... married Jane Carter 1885
Mary Ann 1864

2nd to ELIZA GREEN in 1868.... I saw this marriage also and I did wonder?
Children:
NONE Found
Death of Eliza Gunniss
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Eliza Gunniss
Name: Eliza Gunniss
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1869
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Boston
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 235 (click to see others on page)

3rd to ELIZA CLARKE in 1871
Children:
Charles Richard b 1875
Maud Mary b 1877
Herbert b 1880


Death of Edward W Gunniss
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Edward Wells Gunniss
Name: Edward Wells Gunniss
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1905
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Lincoln
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 295 (click to see others on page)

Anne

I just wanted to ask "am I doing this right'

I have a standard membership but then you get credits which cost too and I seem to use credits when accessing information, is this right?

Also when you access the BDM website it gives you the info ie Volume no. and page number. How do you access that volume and page and what info does that give you?

Is there anyone in the Neath area I can talk to face to face?

Thanks to you all for your input! I have to digest this now and get it on the tree! :-)

1881 census provided by MarieCeleste shows wife Eliza wth her parents.

1881 England Census about Edward W. Gurmiss
Name: Edward W. Gurmiss
[Edward W. Gunniss]
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Heckington Fen, Lincoln, England
Civil parish: Woodhall
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: Woodhall
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Blacksmith
Registration district: Horncastle
Sub-registration district: Horncastle
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3249
Folio: 95
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward W. Gurmiss 55
Charles Gurmiss 6
Maud N. Gurmiss 4
Thomas Clark 65 boarder b Beelby. Married
Cook Gaunt 44

Edward Wells Gunnis was married 1st to Betsy Richardson
Marriage in Boston, Lincs 4th qutr 1851
Death of Betsy Gunniss 1st qutr 1866 Boston, Lincs

Eliza Clarke is his 2nd wife
EDIT: 3RD WIFE!


1861 England Census about Edward Gunniss
Name: Edward Gunniss
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Betsey Gunniss
Gender: Male
Where born: Eckington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Sibsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Boston
Sub-registration district: Sibsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Piece: 2334
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Gunniss 35
Betsey Gunniss 29
Sarah Jane Gunniss 8
Elizabeth Gunniss 6
William Bradforth Gunniss 4
Robert Bradley 17 apprentice

1851..
1851 England Census about Edward Will Gunniss
Name: Edward Will Gunniss
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Heckington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Kirton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Boston
Sub-registration district: Kirton in Holland
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 2098
Folio: 104
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Will Gunniss 25
Betsey Richardson 19..... SERVANT


1841
1841 England Census about Edward Gunness
Name: Edward Gunness
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Sibsey
Hundred: West Bolingbroke Soke
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Boston
Sub-registration district: Sibsey
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 644
Book: 2
Folio: 21
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Holland 15
Edward Gunness 15
Martha Howard 15

This family goes back for forever...!!

1871:

GUNNISS, Edward W Head M 45 1826 Lincolnshire b Heckington, Blacksmith
GUNNISS, Eliza Wife F 31 1840 Lincolnshire b New York
GUNNISS, William B Son M 14 1857 Lincolnshire
GUNNISS, Mary Ann Daughter F 7 1864 Lincolnshire
MOTE, John Thos Apprentice M 15 1856 Oxfordshire
BELL, William Visitor M 2 1869 Lincolnshire

Piece: 3338 Folio: 10 Page: 11
Registration District: Boston
Civil Parish: Sibsey

Address: Church End, Sibsey County: Lincolnshire

Edward Wells Gunnis b 1826...on 1871 Census Spilsby....

1881 seems to confirm the Clark link:

CLARKE, Joseph Head Married M 66 1815 Agricultural Labourer Kirkby on Bain, Lincolnshire
CLARKE, Mary Wife Married F 76 1805 Labourers Wife New York, Lincolnshire
GUNNISS, Eliza Daughter Married F 41 1840 Blacksmiths Wife New York, Lincolnshire
GUNNISS, Herbert Grand Son Single M 1 1880 Woodhall, Lincolnshire

Piece: 3252 Folio: 126 Page: 8
Registration District: Horncastle
Civil Parish: Coningsby

Address: Hawthorn Hill, Coningsby County: Lincolnshire

EDIT: hadn't refreshed and see Erin... and I are on same path!

Just posting the 1891 as a reference to work from:

GUNNIS, Edward Head Married M 65 1826 Blacksmith Heckington, Lincolnshire
GUNNIS, Eliza Wife Married F 52 1839 Newyork, Lincolnshire
GUNNIS, Charles R Son M 16 1875 Errand Lad To Druggist Burgh-In-The-Marsh, Lincolnshire
GUNNIS, Herbert Son M 11 1880 Scholar Woodhall Spa, Lincolnshire
HENSON, John Lodger M 81 1810 Bradmoor, Nottinghamshire

Piece: 2598 Folio: 200 Page: 14
Registration District: Horncastle
Civil Parish: Woodhall

Address: Forge Cottage, Tattershall Road, Woodhall County: Lincolnshire

An Edward Wells Gunniss married Eliza.Clarke 1871 Reg.March quarter Boston. 7a 476.

This ? corresponds with details for Herbert living with mother Eliz,and Clarke grandparents 1881 census.

Would imagine there may be other children of the marriage prior to Herbert being born...need to locate an Ed Wells Gunniss 1881 Census.

Hi Anne,

My Grand father is Herbert Gunniss, DOB 1880 born in Woodall Spa, Horncastle, Lincs who married Mabel Alice Jackson Born 1882 in Whitby and they married in Dec 1909, I cant find his father but I think his mother was Eliza Clarke born in 1840, I know my grand fathers father was a blacksmith(according to the 1881 Census) but have no name! Confused! Any help would be great!

David

Thanks Anne I would appreciate it!

Anne

David
I had a look at the 1911 census and there are about 5 or 6 different families called Gunniss living in Lincolnshire, Yorkshire and Hampshire.
Older people seem to be Irish born but no pattern to one single place.
Mayo, Down and Wicklow!
The 1901 census also includes a couple of Gunniss families living in Lanarkshire

If you give some details of the families you are researching, I can post all census data here if you need it

Anne

Not the best person to ask regarding that I'm afraid! I have a tree on Ancestry which suits me fine, but there are better ones I suspect.
I would post a general query regarding this.
Jan

Thanks for the advise Jan! Much appreciated!

I have done quite a bit on the tree from what I already know. I read somewhere that the GR family tree isn't very good and it would be best to get another online template that is able to be backed upon disc, What's your advise?

Well, what I advise is to go as far as you can, then ask for advice if you get stuck. I would do as much for yourself as you can, as it's much more satisfying.
You can look for contacts as suggested by MarieCeleste, but be aware there are also several members who like nothing better than helping out! So just put any queries on here.
Jan

Thanks Jan I have tried freeBMD and have quite a lot of info.

I think I have the 'bug' already as it is very interesting.

David