Genealogy Chat

Sent Debbie a PM advising her to contact Stephen by private message.

Hi Stephen. I am the great great granddaughter of George Roworth and Rosa Tout (my great grandmother was Helena Annie Mary or Elen Roworth). I have George's military records in India (if you would like them, let me know, but it's likely you already have them). I didn't even know that George and Rosa had any other children! You must be descended from one of their sons. Do you have any photos of the Roworth line? Do you know anything about Nathan, George's dad? I think George had a brother Nathan as well. Any thoughts, suggestions gratefully received. Debbie Marshall (nee Horne) Canada

Stephen,

Check your Email as this info is amongst the detail in the last email that I sent to you.

1901:
Name: George N Rowarth
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Betsy Rowarth
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Piece: 2853
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
George N Rowarth 38
Betsy Rowarth 30 born Nottingham
George N Rowarth 2 born Birmingham (West Bromich?)
Jenny Rowarth 15 Visitor, Betsy's sister born Nottingham

P.S. Basic membership of GR does not include access to any records. Is that the level that you currently have?

Does anyone know why, when I have a standard membership for GR I need to buy extra credits to view a Census?

If someone is able, could they look at the following 1901 Census entry, I'm trying to find out who lived there with him.

name: George N Rowarth
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 38
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Devonport, Devonshire
record type: Household
registration district: Birmingham
sub-district: All Saints
ecclesiastical parish: Bishop Latimer Memorial Church
civil parish: Birmingham
county: Warwickshire

??????

Marriages Sep 1837 (>99%)
CHAMNEY Thomas Radford 15 643
CRACKLE Samuel Radford 15 643
FAABY Mary Radford 15 643
GREEN Martha Radford 15 643
ROWORTH Nathan __dford 15 643
SHIPTON Jane Radford 15 643
STAFFORD William Radford 15 643
WOOLLEY Emma Radford 15 643

Both fathers will be named on the cert.

The declared ages of the couple will also be recorded

Ellen Rayworth buried 9 Oct 1939 at Lenton, Holy Trinity was age 2+.
There was also an Ellen Roworth age 2 buried at Nottingham St Mary on 13 Dec 1840.

Hi Folks,

Just like to thank everyone, once again for their advice, and in particular Jonesey and JustJill for giving up some of their time to look for my family. I've been able to make a lot of progress with my tree and discovered lots of things I didn't know about my family. :-)

Thanks Ken - I did wonder whether it might be a child's death.

Would this be the death of his first wife?

Ellen Raworth Oct-Nov-Dec 1839 Radford Nottinghamshire

(I can't spot another marriage, though, so perhaps not?)

Must dash.

- and this may be Ann in 1871

Name: Ann Dowles
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward Dowles
Gender: Female
Where born: Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Sherwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 3510
Folio: 44
Page Number: 17

Name Age
Edward Dowles 43
Ann Dowles 40
Edith Dowles 4
Alice Miller 12

- having married in 1860:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1860 Radford
Edward Dowles
Ann Roworth

From the NBI the Nathan who died in 1841 was age 2. He was buried at St Mary Southwell on 5 Sep 1841.

This may be Mary in 1871:

Name: Mary Simo
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Simo
Gender: Female
Where born: Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Whittington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Whittington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Household schedule number: 282
Piece: 3615
Folio: 130
Page Number: 50

Name Age
John Simo 48
Mary Simo 44
William Simo 8
Edward Roworth 15 (nephew b in New Lenton)

- to tie up to this Radford registration district marriage
Oct-Nov-Dec 1855
Mary Roworth
John Simms

Looking on familysearch for Nathan Roworth, the search engine offers two born in Lenton, in 1801 and 1805. Since the parents are identical, I wonder if the elder one died as an infant?

Looking for deaths of Nat* *w*rth in the Radford registration district, there is a death listed, but in 1841, which seems a bit too soon to fit well with this family.

I've tried to look for George's siblings after 1851; his younger brother Nathan can be seen, and it looks as if William married a Sarah and moved into central Nottingham, while Elizabeth is with William Farrand, hosting a brother and a niece, but George is not with any of these. I've not spotted Mary or Ann as yet.

This looks a reasonable fit in 1841 for the 1851 census found by Jonesey:

Name: Mary Haworth
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Lenton
Hundred: Broxtow (South Division)
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Radford
Sub-registration district: Lenton

Piece: 858
Book: 6
Folio: 25
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Nathan Haworth 35 (so aged 35-39 and born 1802-1806?), engineer
Mary Haworth 12
Elizabeth Haworth 10
William Haworth 8
Ann Haworth 6

- and Nathan fits approximately to the Nathaniel searched for?

Stephen,

We all make mistakes. It now makes more sense as I could see something was not correct. Here is some more info and records for you to digest.

The marriage that you found I presume is this one:

Marriages Sep 1877
ROURETH George Southampton 2c 22
Tout Rosa Matilda E Southampton 2c 22

Her full name as registered at her birth was Rose Matilda Elizabeth Tout:

Name: Rose Matilda Elizabeth Tout
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1853
Registration district: Alverstoke
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 383

That lady remarried as Rosa Matilda E Rowarth in Southampton in 1886 to Thomas John Randall:

Name: Rosa Matilda E Rowaeth (Mistranscribed actually Rowarth on orig)
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1886
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 34

That would tie up to this death in Nottingham in 1884. The age at death would equate to an 1843 birth:

Deaths Sep 1884
Roworth George 41 Nottingham 7b 237

Here She is in 1891:

Name: Rosa Randall
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Walcot
Ecclesiastical parish: St Swithin
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Walcot
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1935
Folio: 102
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Rosa Randall 37
Elizabeth Randall 8
Bessie Randall 1

It looks as though she and George had a daughter Elizabeth born in Nottingham in 1882:

Births Dec 1882
Roworth Elizabeth Alice J Nottingham 7b 359

1901:
Name: Elizabeth Howorth (Roworth on original)
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Bath
Ecclesiastical parish: St Swithin
Town: Bath
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Walcot
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 197
Piece: 2341
Folio: 81
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Rose Randall 47
Elizabeth Howorth 18


Does your own ancestry go back through Elizabeth Alice?


Rosa in 1911 mistranscribed yet again, Rosa M E Randall on orig:

1911:
Name: Rosa N C Randale
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Gosport, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Shaw cum Donnington
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Dolmans, Shaw, Newbury
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Domestic
Registration district: Newbury
Registration District Number: 114
Sub-registration district: Speen
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 150
Piece: 6384
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Twitchin 80
Rosa N C Randale 57
Rose Champ 21

For some reason my brain was a little slow and I put my Gt-Grandfathers year of birth as 1854, when I'm sure it is 1843 :-D sorry folks.

Which explains how I came to confuse Jonesey above!

Stephen,

No Problem.

Jonesey,

I'm happy that I've got the right George and Rosa, Rose, Rosina, I've since found the marriage date of 1877. I now have a first name for his Father, Nathaniel and I'm estimating a DOB for him as c 1812, (wet finger in the air), I need to look through what you've found, but the wife is nagging me to go shopping, can I PM you later?

Thanks though, I'm very grateful for your help,

Steve

Stephen,

Rosa Tout also appears in the 1871 census as Rosina:


Name: Rosina Tout
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 1136
Folio: 26
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Rosina Tout 19


The age for George Roworth in the 1881 census does not equate to someone born in 1854.

1881:
Name: George Roworth
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose Roworth
Gender: Male
Where born: Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 85 & 87 Red Lion St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Lodging House Keeper
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Exchange
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3361
Folio: 50
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
George Roworth 38
Rose Roworth 28 born Gosport, Hampshire

Could it possibly be that the birth certificate you have is for a different George Roworth. Remember that although birth registration began in England in 1837 it was not until 1874 that registration became compulsory. A lot of births went unregistered.

1851??
Name: George Raworth
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Lenton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Radford
Sub-registration district: Lenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 2129
Folio: 103
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Raworth 24
Elizh Raworth 20
Wm Raworth 18
Ann Raworth 16
George Raworth 7
Nathan Raworth 6

This came to me in a pm yesterday. Posted onto here instead after message to Stephen.J

My Great-Grandfather was George Roworth, born in 1854 in Lenton, Notts. He appears in the 1881 Census and lives at 85 Lion Street, Nottingham. I know this is accurate because I have a birth certificate for my Grand-Father with this information in. He then disappears and does not show up in any Census earlier or later. I have come across a family tree with a William Roworth, born in 1855 at Lenton, Notts and have emailed the owner for more info as it is too much of a coincidence.

My Great-Grandmother is Rosa nee Tout who appears in the 1861 Census and the 1881 Census, (named Rose), but then disappears. Again I have come across another tree with her in it and I have emailed the owner for further information.

Any help or advice would be gratefully received.

I have searched the Census returns in the way suggested by some other members, but to no avail.

Stephen,

The best site for finding such things during the period 1837~1950 is this one:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

It is free.

Is this your Gt Grandfather's marriage record?

Marriages Dec 1877
ROWORTH William Nottingham 7b 503