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Hi All

Reggie yes Emily and Fanny were sisters, I did not find the connecttion to Paynting family tree myself someone else found it and told me that there might be a connection.

The information you have all come across is fantastic , thank you so much, I think now I may be able to find out bits for myself.

Once again thank you all for your help.

Regards
Denise
16.6.2012

:-)

1911

PAYNTING, James Head Widower M 52 1859 Goldsmith Warwick Birmingham VIEW
PAYNTING, Arthur James Son Single M 18 1893 Salesman Warwick Birmingham VIEW
NICHOLLS, Florence Kirby Boarder Single F 40 1871 Polisher Warwick Birmingham VIEW

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)

HAZLETON Eva Paynting Birmingham 6d 412
Paynting Arthur J Hazleton Birmingham 6d 412


Far-removed from Shoreditch and Hackney

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Last name: Paynting
Year of departure: 1890 to 1960
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PAYNTING Arthur James 1892 M 1924 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
PAYNTING D M Unknown F 1953 Southampton VIEW VIEW

PAYNTING Dennis Arthur 1917 M 1924 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
PAYNTING Doris Mary 1906 F 1959 Southampton Singapore Singapore VIEW VIEW
PAYNTING Edmund Jeffs 1920 M 1958 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
PAYNTING Eric Ernest 1921 M 1924 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
PAYNTING Eva 1894 F 1924 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
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Name: Albert Alfred Akerman
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1900
Baptism Date: 7 Sep 1900
Father's Name: Alfred Akerman
Mother's name: Fanny Akerman
Parish or Poor Law Union: Dalston St Mark
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

His marriage and death are on freebmd - I'll leave you to find them.
There is a birth registration for a child of the marriage also on freebmd

Name: Horace Frank Akerman
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1900
Baptism Date: 7 Sep 1900
Father's Name: Alfred Akerman
Mother's name: Fanny Akerman
Parish or Poor Law Union: Dalston St Mark
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers


Name: Horace Frank Akerman
Birth Date: 7 Dec 1899
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1983
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 0720

He served in WW1

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1911

1911 census

Person: AKERMAN, Fanny Address: 38 Benthall Road Stoke Newington
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AKERMAN, Alfred Head Married14 years M 38 1873 Warehouseman Printers London Hoxton VIEW
AKERMAN, Fanny Wife Married F 36 1875 London Hoxton VIEW
AKERMAN, Albert Son M 13 1898 London Hackney VIEW
AKERMAN, Horace Son M 11 1900 London Hackney VIEW
AKERMAN, William Son M 2 1909 London Hackney

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
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Cleave Emily Jane Shoreditch 1c 150

1891

Name: Fanny Cleave
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred Cleave
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cleave
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoxton, London, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 248
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Cleave 48
Elizabeth Cleave 50
Alfred Cleave 21
William Cleave 19
Fanny Cleave 17
Charles Cleave 13
Frank Cleave 10
Alfred Ackerman 18

Name: Fanny Isabella Cleave
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Alfred Akerman
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Aug 1896
Parish: Hackney St Peter
Borough: Hackney
Spouse Father Name: John Akerman
Register Type: Parish Register


Name: Fanny I Akerman
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1937
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 825

1901


Name: Fanny Ackerman
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred Ackerman
Gender: Female
Where born: Halton, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Dalston
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Piece: 222
Folio: 34
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Ackerman 28
Fanny Ackerman 27
Albert Ackerman 3
Horace Ackerman 1
William Linhofe 25

1881 - which gives you a lot of names to research on freebmd


Name: Emily J. Cleave
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alf. Alex. Cleave
Mother's name: Eliza Cleave
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 54 Hoxton Sq

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 394
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Alf. Alex. Cleave 38
Eliza Cleave 40
Eliza M. Cleave 16
Emily J. Cleave 13
Alfred Cleave 11
Wm. B. Cleave 9
Fanny Cleave 7
Charles Cleave 3
Frank Cleave

I hope I've been using my time on the right person - there is another birth for the name - in 1902 in Cornwall

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915


Name: George William Flowerday Sims
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1864
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 160

The son appears to be on several Passenger and Crew lists in the USA - I don't have access.

1901


Name: Leslie S G Sims
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George W F Sims
Mother's name: Emily J Sims
Gender: Male
Where born: St Anns South Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 1253
Folio: 63
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
George W F Sims 36
Emily J Sims 33
Leslie S G Sims 7

Deaths Jun 1926 (>99%)
Sims George W F 62 Hampstead 1a 663

Name: Leslie Stanley G Sims
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1894
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1977
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 1789

1911 census

Person: SIMS, George William Huvesden Address: 9 Abbotsford Avenue South Tottenham N
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SIMS, George William Huvesden Head Married M 47 1864 Secretary Of Friendly Societies Acts Hostin London VIEW
SIMS, Emily Jane Wife Married22 years F 43 1868 Hoxton London VIEW
SIMS, Leslie Stanley George Son Single M 17 1894 Engineering Student Tottenham Middlesex VIEW

Name: Emily Jane Cleave
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: George William Flowerday Lims
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Mar 1888
Parish: Hoxton Square St Peter
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Alfred Alexander Cleave
Spouse Father Name: George Lims
Register Type: Parish Register

Were Emily and Fanny sisters?

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Where did you come across the 'tree' to which you refer?