Genealogy Chat

Hi Myrna,

Wow - another connection to an American President - we certainly are being honoured on this thread!!

I cannot see any connection to the family of Franklin Roosesvelt [forgive me] - who drained the Fens in Cambridgeshire - on google - but I would be interested with the information you can provide on this, so I can follow this up!! [if you could point me in the right direction and what you have found out about your family I would appreciate it- I just love history and what it tells us! }

The details of the family of an american Presidential family who helped with the Fens of Cambs will be worth looking into for all of us I am sure!!!

I am interested to hear that there is a museum - but sorry that it was a little bleak - but that is England for you! lol

Do you live in the USA???

I was fascinated to find that my grandfather was descended from a long line of Huguenot families from the Lille area. They were engineers who drained the Fens in Cambridgeshire. I would like to set down the story of their lives here - members of the family spread world wide. Most famous was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, American President. However, I'm inundated with papers and still haven't got round to it. Have visited Thorney in Cambs. where early De Lanoys lived. Rather bleak ... nice little museum though.

MJH

oh - these are only fiction books that I am reading moobi - nothing academic!!! However, the author does make sure that the fiction is built around the known facts - which I love! - best of both worlds! lol

The power of being both monarch and head of the church of England - was, I think, the driving force - and in order to stay as head of the church they had to refuse to accept the catholic faith.

[this subject can still be quite controversal - so I do hope that I havent offended anyone with my comments - because no offence was intended!]

Basically catholics believed that Elizabeth should not be Queen. Militant catholics actively tried to depose her. Their plots were discovered resulting in increasingly anti-catholic measures.

Yes lainie39

John Lyon, yeoman of Okeham, Rutland, was indeed a catholic.
However, down the line only 2 generations his grandson was a Cof E Rector at Barnwell St Andrews Nths.

Can you tell me why it was that Elizabeth 1 was so dogmatic about the papacy.? Maybe I could read one of your titles?

Hi moonbi,

Wow - that is a nasty one - I am currently reading books about the tudors and they do love their hanging, bowelling and quartering!!! Yuk!

We are talking about Queen Elizabeth 1 - so what religion was he? I suppose that the obvious religion would be Catholic - but any religion other than Protestant Church of England would be seen as heresy in those times??

I found a reference to my earliest ancestor being a martyr in 1598, indicted for denying the Queen's spiritual message. Hanged, bowelled and quartered in frightful barbarity.

But the amazing thing is I found a ballad of 10 stanzas written about this event.
It gives insight into the type of man he was. Very brave.

Oh Persie!!

That is a horrific story!! Poor girl. I cannot even bear to think about the burns she received! Oh - and I can only imagine what her family went through and how they felt.

Even the thought of using kerosene makes me shudder - but that is the way things were in 1893.

I assume that she died of septicemia [infection of the burns?]

My 2nd cousin twice removed Louisa died in 1893... she was 15 and a half. She was washing her hair in kerosene and it caught fire from a lighted candle near by.

Her father came to her assistance and tried to extinguish the fire with his hands, but, failing to do so, called for water. Her younger sister Annie aged 11 came with some, but in her haste, spilt it, and by the time more was obtained and poured over Louisa's head, her face, ears, and neck were severely burned, her neck was burnt through the collar of her dress catching fire.

Her father's hands also got burnt whilst trying to quell the fire and it was some time before he returned to work.

Now times were not like today and it was a couple of days later that her mother took her to Wanganui Hospital (some distance away) on the mail train. (does not really bear thinking about)

Louisa suffered and was in a great deal of pain when she died a week later in Hospital.

Persie

Sorry Lainie

That should have been my family duh!! ... I was so pleased when I finally got what you gave me to actually post on here, that I mucked up by addition to it. Gosh leave me alone for five minutes and I manage to make a mess of it.

Mine isn't very nice and I got rather upset when I found it...

P xx

Hi Kay,

There seems to have been alot of this around. Family secrets and all that. Unfortunately, it is a shock to the family who didnt know of it, because family secrets were taken 'to the grave'.

I dont know whether we should blame them or not for this because when all is said and done, they were dealing with situations in the best way that they could at the time. It is just shock to those left behind who find out the true situation when those who have 'kept' the secret are no longer here with us!!!

I personally feel that these secrets should not be 'kept' because the truth will always out - as you have indeed found out for yourself!!!!

Jonesey - you read my mind!!!!!!!! lol :-D

Hi Ken,

If you are OK with that? - as I said I dont want to confuse with this thread OR tread on anyones toes!!!

Persie,

What do you mean But I will'post something not amazing more horrifying for her family... so watch this thread.. '????

Do you know something even more funny and amazing about my family? - or where you referring to something in your family??????

lol

Lainie,

I don't think that you should worry too much. I'm pretty sure that Amazing Grace will not be upset by there being another thread similar to the one that she started back in February especially as it is on a different message board.

By the way just to clear up any confusion, the Ansell Rubber Co were the worlds largest condom producers in terms of numbers produced not the size of the product. ;-)

I'll delete my post on the other one for starters.

Sorry everyone - I seemed to have caused problems!!! I have just seen KenSE posting at the end of Gracie thread redirecting to this one. Sorry Gracie and to everyone else I may have confused by ask Perse to post this thread for me. I seemed a good idea at the time and didnt realise that it may confuse etc.

Would you like to copy your postings to Gracie thread??

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/general_chat/thread/1205603

and I can delete this one?? Just let me know what you would all like to do.

My grandfather was married three times..first wife died in childbirth,they were both nineteen.His second wife Elsie couldnt have children.My mother was born to his third wife...she told me that her dad and Elsie had brought up a boy who was born to Elsies sister and husband.,because they had a lot of children.
Imagine my surprise when checking 1911 cencus,there he was with grandad and elsie under their surname....an even bigger surprise when I
received his birth certificate...he had grandads surname as his middle name...first name was the same anyway.Elsies sister and husband then went on to have another four children.
Although not a secret,this boy was twenty years older than my mother and had children about the same age as her.,made me think though,either they were having that baby for Elsie,or my grandad was messing about.

Kay

Thank you Perse for posting this thread for me - sorry Gracie, didnt know that you had already started such a thread or I would have just posted on yours. I will read through all the postings on your thread in a minute!!!

Well.... a mention in George Washington's diary [wow!] ... prostitution with a 7 year sentence - more than for manslaughter [that says alot about the times!] ..the worlds largest condom manufacturers [only Jonesey could find that one!!? lol] and a sail maker on HMS Enterprise - an artic discovery ship!! [an exciting link to an historic ship - but a sad ending for your relative! It was probably the voyage that caused his bronchial problems!!]

Your discoveries dont have to be 'exciting' to others - they are all exciting to you because they are your family. That is how it should be!!

I hope lots of others post their findings too!

Elaine

Well not nearly as exciting but finding my maternal grt x umpteen grandfather was the sail maker on HMS Enterprise that spent several years looking for Sir John Franklin who was lost looking for the North West Passage.
Joseph Wood succumbed to bronchial problems in 1855 when the Enterprise returned to port