Genealogy Chat

Thanks for all that to all of you we have been looking for that information for years you corrected several missaprehensions the family has held about the two sisters the most surprising was that Ellen had a daughter when she sailed to Canada.
Now all I have to do is find the children from the marriage and all their familys

For Robert's "She had masrried a Larson" read "She had married a Lawson".

In MB BMDs Charles's mum is given as Marg Crawford - it should be Mary - an easily made mistranscription. His mum died in 1899, and his dad remarried to Eva Cowan Brenton - Brenton is also mistranscribed on Florence Mildred's MB entry, but is OK on Howard Mason's SK entry. I don't find Gordon entry in SK, nor William C (=Crawford maybe) in MB. Nothing online for AB. I don't see anything checkable re Ellen Jr & Clarence in BC.

Using links on the census index URL I gave earlier, look up Albert Lawson in 1891. He's in Louise subdistrict, and there's no Charles present.
When you check MB BMDs, it's not surprising as he was actually born 12/5/1891, and lied on his attestation, which says 12/5/1889.
He signed at Val Cartier, Canada's main training camp, in Quebec.
(In 1881, look up Thos Lawson (exactly)). Thos ought to be on the 1851 aged 4m, but I didn't see him. I did find another 29 y old Rev Thomas Lawson, also a Methodist preacher in Peel Co, Ontario (=Canada W) - maybe some rellie.

You can look up Pilot Mound MB at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/post-offices/001001-100.01-e.php
and see the addy as Sec. 20, Twp. 3, R. 11, W1M.
[On the prairies, the Dominion Land Survey divided the land into 6m x 6m townships, identified by the Twp # (a northing from the US border) and the Range # (a westing from the last Meridian). A township had 36 sections, and a homestead normally was a quarter section (160 acres).]
Louise subdistrict was roughly rectangular, covering T 1-3, and R 10-14. (Roughly, as the range boundaries don't run N-S, but must jog (every 24m) to accomodate a 6 mile square on a curved earth - longitudes are 24% closer at the N boundary of province than at S boundary.)

The 1901 image you get thru AG doesn't have house details - they're on Scedule 2, so:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000021809.pdf
[addy for h/h on page 3 line 11 is Mountain St, Deloraine, MB]

If you look up 1901 on AG, click on the "link" in last col to get 1906-11.

Matsqui is just S of the Fraser, opposite Mission which is the municipality next to Maple Ridge, now an outer eastern suburb of Vancouver.

Robert
Here is what I know from messages on Ancestry .com Message boards.
A message posted on1/1/2000 from Pennie Woodruff it reads,
Ellen Barclay from Woolwich England Siblings were William, Rose, and Florence.
Ellen had a daughterin 1919 by the same name.
Ellen (mother) was last seen in Vancover, BC. She had masrried a Larson
Daughter married Clarence Woodruff.

Another message posted 17/7/2000 from Marrianne987
My great grandmothercame from a place called Plumstead.Her namewas Rose Elizabeth Barclay and she was born in 1986. She wasthe eldest of 5 childrenwhen she married my great grandfather (a canadian soldier) and moved to Canada, her father cut of all ties with her.
all these details seem to be right

Since you asked abt WW1 service records - take the search help link at the LAC's cef search URL I gave earlier for info abt ordering these

For the Lawson family, look up Alameda in the 1916 LAC search link. You want image 5 of 29.

There are no marrs online yet at the SK site:
https://www.isc.ca/VitalStatistics/Genealogy/vsgs_srch.aspx

NB Alameda is abt 45 km ENE of Estevan.

The Lawson family in 1901, Brandon, Manitoba:

Lawson Thomas M Head W Aug 23 1851 49

Lawson William C M Son S Aug 17 1880 20

Lawson Albert B M Son S Jan 21 1882 19

Lawson Charles M Son S May 12 1891 9

Lawson Mary E F Daughter S Feb 11 1899 2

Original says Thomas Sr. is a widower, born Ontario, a clergyman. I thought the attestation papers for Charles had given father's name as Rev. Thos. Lawson but couldn't be sure because it was crossed out and replaced by Charles' wife's name, Rose.

Yes, I thought Ellen Jr. must have arrived on the same ship as Ellen Sr. but I couldn't find the record of Ellen Sr. arriving.
Do you suppose it was Ellen Jr. or Sr. who married A.B. Lawson?

Edit, second thought it must have been Ellen Sr., the marriage was 1928 and if that's her death in B.C. she was born 1900.

looks like Ellen F was the daughter of one of the sisters may be Ellen senior??

Name: Ellen F Barclay
Mother's Maiden Surname: Barclay
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 318
Edit she travelled with Ellen senior on the same ship as posted above

Death of Albert Brandon/Brennan Lawson?

Name:
Albert Brennan Lawson Place
Matsqui Reg. Number:
1949-09-008008 Copy Available
Date:
1949 8 21 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age:
67 Event:
Death Microfilm #:
B13202 (GSU # 2032572)

Death of Ellen Frances?

Name:
Ellen Frances Lawson Place
Maple Ridge Reg. Number:
1987-09-000893 Copy Available
Date:
1987 1 19 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age:
87 Event:
Death Microfilm #:
B17108 (GSU # 1669933)

Did Ellen Frances marry Charles Willard's brother A. B. Lawson?

Groom Name:
Albert Brandon Lawson Place
Vancouver Reg. Number:
1928-09-334758 Copy Available
Bride Name
Ellen Frances Barclay Date:
1928 7 16 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event:
Marriage Microfilm #:
B13755 (GSU # 2074508)

Rose's death?

2 Name:
Rose Elizabeth Lawson Place
Matsqui Reg. Number:
1975-09-014539 Copy Available
Date:
1975 9 22 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age:
79 Event:
Death Microfilm #:
B13345 (GSU # 2050527)

Charles' death?

British Columbia Death Index: 1872 to 1979
about Charles Willard Lawson Name: Charles Willard Lawson
Gender: Male
Age: 80
Death Date: 25 Apr 1972
Place of Death: Murrayville
Registration #: 1972-09-006769
BCA #: B13317
GSU #: 2034300

On Charles Willard Lawson's attestation papers his next-of-kin was changed from (something?) Thos. Lawson, Carlyle, Saskatchewan to Mrs. Rose E. Lawson (wife), 34 Calthorpe St., Gray's Inn Rd., London.
Charles was born 12 May 1889, Pilot Mound, Manitoba.

Who is this Ellen then?

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Ellen F Barclay Name: Ellen F Barclay
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1919
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 5 Jul 1927
Vessel: Ausonia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ausonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14734

She's going to join her aunt Mrs. Lawson, Rear 10532 104th. St., Edmonton, Alberta. Nearest relative at home was her aunt Mrs. B. Bush, 2 Sun St., Woolwich.

This looks like your Rose arriving in Canada:

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about Rose Elizabeth Lawson Name: Rose Elizabeth Lawson
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Birth Place: London, England
Age: 26
Date of Arrival: 28 Mar 1920
Port of Arrival: Saint John, New Brunswick
Ship Name: Melita

Original says she's accompanied by husband, passage paid by Canadian government, destined to bro-in-law A. B. Lawton, 10319 99th. St., Edmonton, Alberta. Nearest relative at home was father James Barclay, 29 Orchard St., Woolwich.

And Charles:

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about Charles Willard Lawson Name: Charles Willard Lawson
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birth Place: Manitoba, Canada
Age: 30
Date of Arrival: 28 Mar 1920
Port of Arrival: Saint John, New Brunswick
Ship Name: Melita

Try drilling down at the LAC gateway:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html

In particular, you can probably find the bro-in-law at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index-e.html

and http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

I presume the marr took place in the UK - if it's England or Wales, then it should be in the GRO index which is essentially completely transcribed thru 1920q2:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Assuming he returned to his home province, you can check the availability of BMDs via the LAC gateway. There's unlikely to be any birth records available in most (but not all) provinces.

Canadian passenger immig records are best gotten thru Ancestry.

looks like Ellen left later than you think (if its the right Ellen

passenger transcript details

Name: Ellen BARCLAY
Date of departure: 25 June 1927
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada
Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada

Date of Birth: 1899 (calculated from age)
Age: 28
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Domestic
Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 16





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Ellen BARCLAY Page 2 of 16 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
AUSONIA

W Stafford
Cunard
Montreal, Canada


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\Edit looks like her as her home address was Rowlton House Woolwich London

1901
BARCLAY, James Head Married M 29 1872 General Laborer
Sheerness
Kent VIEW
BARCLAY, Sarah A Wife Married F 28 1873
Woolwich
Kent VIEW
BARCLAY, William G Son M 11 1890
Plumstead
Kent VIEW
BARCLAY, Rose E Daughter F 5 1896
Plumstead
Kent VIEW
BARCLAY, Ellen F Daughter F 2 1899
Plumstead
Kent VIEW

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Piece:
577 Folio:
61 Page:
28 Registration District:
Woolwich

Civil Parish:
Plumstead Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Station Road, Plumstead County:
London

dont know if you have the 1911 ?

PHELPS, Agnes Amria Head Single F 56 1855 Matron London Marylebone VIEW
BEADLE, Mary Annie Single F 28 1883 Assistant Matron At Sea VIEW
BARCLAY, Rose Elizabeth Single F 15 1896 Inmate Of Home Kent Plumstead VIEW
DAVIS, Florence Bertha F 14 1897 Inmate Of Home Kent Charlton VIEW
PARTONGDON, Sarah Ann Single F 15 1896 Inmate Of Training Home London Battersea VIEW
HARBORD, Amy F 14 1897 Inmate Of Training Home London Deptford VIEW
HENSS, Lousia F 14 1897 Inmate Of Training Home London Tower Bridge VIEW
ERRIDGE, Eva Ilene F 14 1897 Inmate Of Training Home Kent Deal VIEW
DONALD, Annie Single F 15 1896 Inmate Of Training Home London Deptford VIEW
BROOKS, Alice Single F 15 1896 Inmate Of Training Home London Deptford VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2848 Reference:
RG14PN2848 RG78PN97 RD30 SD1 ED5 SN260

Registration District:
Woolwich Sub District:
Charlton Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Charlton and Kidbrooke

Address:
Home For Girls Woolwich Road New Charlton Kent County:
London

possibly Ellen

BARCLAY, Ellen F Inmate F 13 1898 School Middlesex London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24998 Reference:
RG14PN24998 RD474 SD1 ED7 SN9999

Registration District:
Blackburn Sub District:
Billington Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Wilpshire

Address:
The Orphanage Wilpshire County:
Lancashire