Genealogy Chat

The advice Annie has offered is the best.

A more obscure way and not as accurate would be to see if the address where your grandfather lived at the time of his marriage was the family home.

With that information the siblings over 21 could be on the electoral rolls. Whilst that in itself is not the answer, what it might do is pinpoint the time frame when they left home and then look for the nearest marriage to that date.It might help eliminate some duplicate names.-jl

The only way i could find all my great grandmothers siblings ( Smiths ) and who they married was to spend hours looking at the records office.
Annie

Following on for this is there any way of accessing marriage records on line to give name of father so know if I have the right marriage, as have a number of possibles and marriage certs are expensive have already ordered 2 and both wrong. any help extremely grateful. Have managed to find marriage for Len and William Herbert my Grandfather and know that Stanley never married, but rest struggling with. any help appreciated.

Thank you for looking I feel that I may have come to a brick wall on this.

the 1911 census was taken on 2 April 2011 so if Arthur was born June 1909 he would not have reached his 2nd birthday by the date of the census and would therefor be down as 1 year old.

Hi I did look at the Liverpool records on Ancestry for Baptisms etc., in both the Catholic and other records but found nothing.

Thank you have tried these for all siblings and no records, really appreciate every ones help as Smith is such a difficult surname to search.

Fiona, have you looked yourself? The website which lancashireAnn used is free for everyone to use and view

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

You could also try the other free sites

http://www.freereg.org.uk/
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Thanks for that it does appear to be the right one, as most of the details agrees with the 1911 census however he is down as only being 1 and est year of birth 1910. that is a great help is it possible to see if you can find Frank Smith born 1914 registered in O/N/D as this is the only other sibling that I have info on.

Thank you

the only birth I could find on lan-opc.org.uk was for Arthur

Baptisms: 15 Aug 1909 St Cuthbert, Everton, Lancashire, England
Arthur Smith - Child of Albert Smith & Janet
Born: 14 Jun 1909
Abode: 59 Venice Street
Occupation: Fruiterer
Baptised by: Henry Mellor
Register: Baptisms 1899 - 1924, Page 239, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 2147911

could not find any marriages but Liverpool area not very much transcribed

Have now tried all trees on Genes and awaiting for reply from the few I had not already tried, so wish me luck.

Thanks once again have tried a few trees and so far only the Leonard had a match and I am in contact with a nice lady on this, but will try all the others and see how I get on, thanks for all your help today, do you know if you can access marriage certs if you travel to Liverpool or can you only purchase them online.

Nothing on the Private members trees on Ancestry

But have you tried the Search trees facility on here. There are hits for all members of your smith family you have listed. Some with only a couple of people.

Stanley only 1 person

Cannot guarantee you will get a reply but you can only try.

As said before you are now at the stage with this family that one of the only ways forward is purchasing BMD's.

Sadly the tree with the 'other' clara does not show who her father is.

Off now to do dinner. Will take a peek again on Ancestry to see if any other members pop up.

I did have a free trial, but not a member now, so thanks for that, did find Harrop so good to rule out that leaves Bostock is there any way of finding out if the marriage for this one had a father called Albert .

Thanks

Back again - are you the same Fiona who is on Ancestry? If so you can search the Public trees on there, in a similar way to searching trees on here.

Looked at the Public Member trees on Ancestry and it looks like one of the Claras I listed above, who married Arthur Harrop, was the daughter of WIlliakm & Elizabeth. So the one who married William Bostock could be yours.

Right see your problem, have had a look at FreeBMD for just Clara, best name as not too common!

2 marriages in the W. Derby area 1922 Arthur Harrop 1923 William Bostock.

The only way to really follow any of these children is now really guesswork via FreeBMD.

My Simpson's also came from W. Derby & in the main stayed there until the death of their parents & then 4 of the 5 children all ended up in London via different means due to work.

You could do no better than to join the local FHS, take a look at this website
Liverpool & SW Lancs FHS.

As I live in London a quick visit to any useful archives in Liverpool is not viable so the FHS is my first point of call. Also by joining you can submit queries for help.

Thanks for all your help but already have all this I want to know if any of the children subsequently married have found Leonards marriage as my father remembers his wifes name, but the rest I have no names to go on so am after any other ways of searching.

Thanks

Thanks for this, but a little confused !!!
I think I did not explain properly these are my grandfathers siblings, and I am searching for descendants of them, the only Uncle my father could remember was Leonard which is why I have found the descendants, the only other one was Frank as described above and he thinks that Stanley never married but is not certain. The rest he never met as my grandfather moved to London where my father was born and never met any of his other aunts or uncles. I have found the parents in 1911 census with five child all the rest born afterwards found through FreeBMD but I am after if any of them married and went on to have children and with a name like Smith there are too many, is there a way of searching that would tell me if any of the marriages had an albert Smith as a father.

Thanks

1911 Census

59 Venice St. Everton Liverpool

Albert age 30 A Fruit Salesman born Derby, Derbshire
Janet age 30 born Liverpool
Clara age 9
Alfred age 7
William Herbert age 6
Ada age 4
Arthur age 1

married 10 years - 5 children born & living