Genealogy Chat

I am new to this but have managed to confirm that my Grandfather a William Herbert Smith born Liverpool (west Derby registration district) in 1905 was one of 12 Children parents Albert and Janet smith (nee Meikle) have found the following children
Clara b1902
Ada b1907
Arthur b1910
Alfred b1904
Albert B1911
Janet B 1913 assume died soon after bith as another Janet
Frank 1914 know lived in Sussex on farm
Stanley 1918
Janet b 1920
Harold B19916
Leonard 1923 Have manged to trace decendants

I wondered if anyone can give any help insuggesting ways of finding out if they married or had children as have come to a dead end from the info my father has given me.

Many thanks

Have you looked at FreeBMD

All you need to do is enter his name and a year range of about 2 years before birth of 1st child. Also just choose the county of Lancashire.
From this you will get a selection marriages. Click on the reference number of any you think are possibles and up will come the names of all others married using this ref. usually by this late date only 2 couples per record.

Also you can find the birth registrations of the children by entering their surname & mothers maiden name.

Also have you found them on the 1911 census, this will tell you how many years they had been married by this time and how many children born and living. :-)

Right have just had a quick peek at FreeBMD

Found this:

Sept. 1901 W. Derby 8b 667
2 couples:
Albert Smith & Janet Meikle
Martha Alice Smith & Archbald Dawber

Was this a double marriage?

Groom's Name: Albert Smith
Groom's Birth Date: 1880
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 21
Bride's Name: Janet Meikle
Bride's Birth Date: 1880
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 21
Marriage Date: 1901
Marriage Place: Christ Church-Great Homer Street, Everton, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: Albert Smith
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: William Meikle
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M15617-4
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1546074
Reference Number: 2:2CV0RF5

1911 Census

59 Venice St. Everton Liverpool

Albert age 30 A Fruit Salesman born Derby, Derbshire
Janet age 30 born Liverpool
Clara age 9
Alfred age 7
William Herbert age 6
Ada age 4
Arthur age 1

married 10 years - 5 children born & living

Thanks for this, but a little confused !!!
I think I did not explain properly these are my grandfathers siblings, and I am searching for descendants of them, the only Uncle my father could remember was Leonard which is why I have found the descendants, the only other one was Frank as described above and he thinks that Stanley never married but is not certain. The rest he never met as my grandfather moved to London where my father was born and never met any of his other aunts or uncles. I have found the parents in 1911 census with five child all the rest born afterwards found through FreeBMD but I am after if any of them married and went on to have children and with a name like Smith there are too many, is there a way of searching that would tell me if any of the marriages had an albert Smith as a father.

Thanks

Thanks for all your help but already have all this I want to know if any of the children subsequently married have found Leonards marriage as my father remembers his wifes name, but the rest I have no names to go on so am after any other ways of searching.

Thanks

Right see your problem, have had a look at FreeBMD for just Clara, best name as not too common!

2 marriages in the W. Derby area 1922 Arthur Harrop 1923 William Bostock.

The only way to really follow any of these children is now really guesswork via FreeBMD.

My Simpson's also came from W. Derby & in the main stayed there until the death of their parents & then 4 of the 5 children all ended up in London via different means due to work.

You could do no better than to join the local FHS, take a look at this website
Liverpool & SW Lancs FHS.

As I live in London a quick visit to any useful archives in Liverpool is not viable so the FHS is my first point of call. Also by joining you can submit queries for help.

Back again - are you the same Fiona who is on Ancestry? If so you can search the Public trees on there, in a similar way to searching trees on here.

Looked at the Public Member trees on Ancestry and it looks like one of the Claras I listed above, who married Arthur Harrop, was the daughter of WIlliakm & Elizabeth. So the one who married William Bostock could be yours.

I did have a free trial, but not a member now, so thanks for that, did find Harrop so good to rule out that leaves Bostock is there any way of finding out if the marriage for this one had a father called Albert .

Thanks

Sadly the tree with the 'other' clara does not show who her father is.

Off now to do dinner. Will take a peek again on Ancestry to see if any other members pop up.

Nothing on the Private members trees on Ancestry

But have you tried the Search trees facility on here. There are hits for all members of your smith family you have listed. Some with only a couple of people.

Stanley only 1 person

Cannot guarantee you will get a reply but you can only try.

As said before you are now at the stage with this family that one of the only ways forward is purchasing BMD's.

Thanks once again have tried a few trees and so far only the Leonard had a match and I am in contact with a nice lady on this, but will try all the others and see how I get on, thanks for all your help today, do you know if you can access marriage certs if you travel to Liverpool or can you only purchase them online.

Have now tried all trees on Genes and awaiting for reply from the few I had not already tried, so wish me luck.

the only birth I could find on lan-opc.org.uk was for Arthur

Baptisms: 15 Aug 1909 St Cuthbert, Everton, Lancashire, England
Arthur Smith - Child of Albert Smith & Janet
Born: 14 Jun 1909
Abode: 59 Venice Street
Occupation: Fruiterer
Baptised by: Henry Mellor
Register: Baptisms 1899 - 1924, Page 239, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 2147911

could not find any marriages but Liverpool area not very much transcribed

Thanks for that it does appear to be the right one, as most of the details agrees with the 1911 census however he is down as only being 1 and est year of birth 1910. that is a great help is it possible to see if you can find Frank Smith born 1914 registered in O/N/D as this is the only other sibling that I have info on.

Thank you

Fiona, have you looked yourself? The website which lancashireAnn used is free for everyone to use and view

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

You could also try the other free sites

http://www.freereg.org.uk/
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Thank you have tried these for all siblings and no records, really appreciate every ones help as Smith is such a difficult surname to search.

Hi I did look at the Liverpool records on Ancestry for Baptisms etc., in both the Catholic and other records but found nothing.

the 1911 census was taken on 2 April 2011 so if Arthur was born June 1909 he would not have reached his 2nd birthday by the date of the census and would therefor be down as 1 year old.