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im totaly stumped once again...gave up before..this time still no better :(
Patrick john lawrenson got his...death cert and second marrige cert..both say he was born in london..can i find him..can I eck as like!
ive got nothing else to go on!
any ideas please :-S
ragards
Andrea
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Name of Father, and when, please?
Thank-you.
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this one?
Patrick John Lawrenson
Birth Date: 1 Apr 1926
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1971
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 1013
Marriage and death certificates do not normally mention where born?
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This is the nearest birth I can find (if the death above is the correct one) although the date of birth given on the death record can't be right as this birth is in the March quarter:-
Name: LAURENSON, Patrick J
Registration District: Uckfield
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1926
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Laurenson
Volume No: 2B
Page No: 175
As patchem has already said - marriage certificates do not usually say where a person is born.
Kath. x
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Psalms
I see you have two threads about this person (looks as though you clicked the "submit" button twice as the time posted is the same on both).
You say on the other thread that you already have the birth certificate I mentioned in my last post. I think this is probably the correct one. The date of birth on a death certificate is only as accurate as the informant's knowledge of the deceased and could be slightly wrong. Also, if a person is illegitimate they often "invent" a deceased father for the marriage certificate so as to save face in front of the new in-laws.
Kath. x
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hi Kath,I think you may be right...does this mean the date of birth and spelling of surnames wrong also :(
oh nooooo...this means i will never be able to trace my husbands tree now if theres no father :(
sigh....
but hey ho at least we know now that this is the correct one we sent for.
I feel really sad now knowing hubbys nan gave birth in a workhouse..bless her xx
thanks also to all ladies who have been kind enough to spare there time searching an helping me..it means a lot..THANK YOU XXX
Andrea
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think im going to lay this to rest now...ive had quite a few people helping me these past couple of weeks..ive got to accept that the cert ive had for a while must be the correct one..i was hoping it wasn't and that i could build a tree for my hubby..but we cant have everything we want !
ive also realised ive two different posts..so having to jump one to another posting (must of pressed the button twice duh)
thanks again all of you who have helped me in the past couple months
xxxxxx
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Just before you disappear for the night - of course you can do your husband's tree. You follow the female line which is likely to be more accurate anyway.
Also the workhouse was often used as a hospital for those without funds. She may not have been an inmate. Be delighted in how far our families have come within a couple of generations.
The right to vote and education, both have brought us out of a system not far above feudalism.
Ozi
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aww thank you Ozi :)
i think ive been trying to hard too soon...lots of people have been helping me...i cant thank them enough..also i have about three different posts going at once..how do i get them all into one..so people who are helping now can see how people have helped in the past..i cant seem to master this lap top just yet lol
thanks again
Andrea
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im totaly stumped once again...gave up before..this time still no better :(
Patrick john lawrenson got his...death cert and second marrige cert..both say he was born in london..can i find him..can I eck as like!
ive got nothing else to go on!
any ideas please
ragards
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11 Sep 2011 20:18
How about some more details. We can't help you without. What about spellng variations? There can't be many puzzles we've never solved on here.
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lol..well here we go Jillian!
patrick john lawrenson death cert born 1/04/26 London died june 1971 nottm.
marriage 09/04/1966 nottm btween patrick john lawrenson and pauline june walker...patricks father..frank john lawrenson deceased.
ive sent away fro 1 birth cert it was for a patrick john laurenson but he was born feb 1926..in a work house and no father is mentioned on the cert.
this has been a mystery for us as my husband knows nothing of his father..his mother never spoke of him to my husband whih is really sad as shes now passed away.(1994)
ive been trying for a while now but got to admit im not very good..i tried a few yrs back gave in but came back to g.r to try afresh!
aghhhhh im back to the same brick wall im afaid.
any help would be fantastic :)
kind regards
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11 Sep 2011 22:00
Can't find him in Free BMD. Searched under Patrick J, Patrick - both without surnames for London area. Also Lawrenson all counties.
Can't find anything in FreeBMD for Frank J Lawrenson either. Me thinks spelling variation here.
Surname Given Name District Volume Page
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Births Mar 1926
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Laurenson Patrick J Uckfield 2b 175
The mother's maiden name is also shown as Laurenson. This presumably is the child born in the workhouse.
Does the marriage cert show Patrick's age at marriage and does it make sense alongside the supposed dob as on his death cert?
What was the mother's name on the birth cert you have for the child born in the workhouse?
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11 Sep 2011 22:11
thanks Jillian,
marriage in 1966 says he was 40 so that adds up with date on death cert.
the birth cert i have from the workhouse is ...
born 17th feb 1926. high brew house uckfield.. patrick john..mother was elizabeth may lawrenson a waitress of mayfield road,registerd 1st march 26.
on his marriage cert it says his father was frank john lawrenson deceased greengocer,
tis is all thee info i have gatherd..you now know as much as i do!
thanks for your reply again
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thanks Jillian,
marriage in 1966 says he was 40 so that adds up with date on death cert.
the birth cert i have from the workhouse is ...
born 17th feb 1926. high brew house uckfield.. patrick john..mother was elizabeth may lawrenson a waitress of mayfield road,registerd 1st march 26.
on his marriage cert it says his father was frank john lawrenson deceased greengocer,
tis is all thee info i have gatherd..you now know as much as i do!
thanks for your reply again
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11 Sep 2011 22:15
sorry it posted twice..i appologise for spelling mistakes..ie..
tis is all thee...meant to say this is all the info!
regards
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11 Sep 2011 22:20
Psalms,
Your post added twice so you have two threads running. Have a look at the other one. I still think the birth certificate you already have could possibly be the right one (there is no other one on Findmypast that could be a possibility).
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11 Sep 2011 22:30
Have you got his first marriage cert also? I assume this is it:
Name: Patrick J Lawrenson
Spouse Sylvia Gooding
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 1472
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11 Sep 2011 22:33
There is also this thread to help cut out any duplication of research -
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1278582
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Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1928 (>99%)
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LAURENSON Elizabeth M Trout St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 773
Trout Charles Laurenson St Geo H Sq 1a 773
Found two possible deaths to try to let me backtrack to the 1911 and 1901 but still no luck.
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Deaths Jun 1928 (>99%)
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yay managed to copy and paste one thread..so going to delete the one i copied so wont cause confusion xx
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Terrific!
I hope you don't mind but I've edited your pasted notes for ease of reading. It looks like you're missing some from the bottom. Not too much I hope.
Ozi
From Andrea's 2nd thread.
Psalms, 11 Sep 2011 20:08
im totaly stumped once again...gave up before..this time still no better :(
Patrick john lawrenson got his...death cert and second marrige cert..both say he was born in london..can i find him..can I eck as like!
ive got nothing else to go on!
any ideas please
ragards
Andrea
Jillian, 11 Sep 2011 20:18
How about some more details. We can't help you without. What about spellng variations? There can't be many puzzles we've never solved on here.
J
Psalms, 11 Sep 2011 20:30
lol..well here we go Jillian!
patrick john lawrenson death cert born 1/04/26 London died june 1971 nottm.
marriage 09/04/1966 nottm btween patrick john lawrenson and pauline june walker...patricks father..frank john lawrenson deceased.
ive sent away fro 1 birth cert it was for a patrick john laurenson but he was born feb 1926..in a work house and no father is mentioned on the cert.
this has been a mystery for us as my husband knows nothing of his father..his mother never spoke of him to my husband whih is really sad as shes now passed away.(1994)
ive been trying for a while now but got to admit im not very good..i tried a few yrs back gave in but came back to g.r to try afresh!
aghhhhh im back to the same brick wall im afaid.
any help would be fantastic :)
kind regards
Andrea
Jillian, 11 Sep 2011 22:00
Can't find him in Free BMD. Searched under Patrick J, Patrick - both without surnames for London area. Also Lawrenson all counties.
Can't find anything in FreeBMD for Frank J Lawrenson either. Me thinks spelling variation here.
Births Mar 1926
Laurenson Patrick J Uckfield 2b 175
The mother's maiden name is also shown as Laurenson. This presumably is the child born in the workhouse.
Does the marriage cert show Patrick's age at marriage and does it make sense alongside the supposed dob as on his death cert?
What was the mother's name on the birth cert you have for the child born in the workhouse?
J
Psalms, 11 Sep 2011 22:11
thanks Jillian,
marriage in 1966 says he was 40 so that adds up with date on death cert.
the birth cert i have from the workhouse is ...
born 17th feb 1926. high brew house uckfield.. patrick john..mother was elizabeth may lawrenson a waitress of mayfield road,registerd 1st march 26.
on his marriage cert it says his father was frank john lawrenson deceased greengocer,
tis is all thee info i have gatherd..you now know as much as i do!
thanks for your reply again
Andrea
Psalms, 11 Sep 2011 22:15
..i appologise for spelling mistakes..ie..
tis is all thee...meant to say this is all the info!
regards
Andrea
Kathleen Bell, 11 Sep 2011 22:20
Psalms,
Your post added twice so you have two threads running. Have a look at the other one. I still think the birth certificate you already have could possibly be the right one (there is no other one on Findmypast that could be a possibility).
Kath. x
brummiejan, 11 Sep 2011 22:30
Have you got his first marriage cert also? I assume this is it:
Name: Patrick J Lawrenson
Spouse Sylvia Gooding
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 1472
Jillian, 11 Sep 2011 23:02
Marriages Mar 1928
LAURENSON Elizabeth M Trout St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 773
Trout Charles Laurenson St Geo H Sq 1a 773
Found two possible deaths to try to let me backtrack to the 1911 and 1901 but still no luck.
Deaths Jun 1928
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someone has a tree on Ancestry with possible parents as Frank Edward Lawrenson and Maude M James.(says 2 living children for them no names given) I can only see 1 birth index for a female with this mothers maiden name though?
It does give surname of who he married.
Was he married to Gooding 1943 then Walker 1966?
Tree belongs to Brian Lawrenson (Australia) who says he has been researching the surname for 10yrs!
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