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The vicar would only be able to include the father's name on the baptism record if the mother provided the info
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You might be allowed to look at the Workhouse records if they have the staff available to sit with you to cover those of other people on the same page.
You would certainly be allowed to look at the admission and discharge books unattended, as there is only a little bit of personal information given - from memory - age, name, occupation, when admitted/discharged and the last meal they ate before discharge.
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You just might find a father named on a baptism record.
Some vicars were very keen to mention unmarried fathers !
Gwyn
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you may have to contact Birmingham Archives for more info:
• Birmingham Archives and Heritage Service, Central Library, Chamberlain Square, Birmingham B3 3HQ. Holdings include: Guardians' minute books (1783-1930); Indoor relief lists (1889-1915); Baptism registers (1864 onwards); Workhouse infirmary (later Dudley Road Hospital) admission and discharge registers (1899 onwards with many gaps and in poor condition); Various other workhouse infirmary records e.g. post mortems, death registers (from early 1900s
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Stuart this is the best site re: Workhouses;
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/
She may have only gone to the workhouse to give birth and not actually be an inmate. Often the workhouse was the only safe place for unsupported women to give birht. My gt grandmother gave birth in a workhouse but she was not an inmate.
If there is no father's name on the cert I'm afraid you may never find out
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WOOO
thanks every one you are great i have looked on the census found out the address given on the birth certificate 1 Union Road Erdington Birmingham is A Workhouse The owner was a
Mr William Clement Salmon aged 42 years So i think she was born in the Work House
the person who registerd the birth was William C Salmon
so no way i can find the father then but can i find out more infomation about the workhouse can records researched as it is not yet 100 years ?
she was born 1914
any help out there cheers
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R i C I will look on the 1911 census 2 C what i can find out
thanks Stu
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info about birth informants
Description of informant. The current list of eligible informants reads, in order of preference
(1) In all cases - mother
(2) Father - if he is married to mother
(3) Father and mother jointly where they are not married to one another
(4) A person present at the birth
(5) The owner or occupier of the house or institution
(6) The person in charge of the child
After 1875 a joint registration could be made by the mother and father of the baby together if they were not married. Before that fathers details could not be given (from about 1850 to 1875) and before that it is a little bit variable, see Column 4 .
(1) Mother - mother was usually not in doubt although it was not unknown in the past for grandmother to go the register office and register her daughter's illegitimate daughter as her own.
(2) Father - he is the second choice by preference because - by biology alone - mother knows she is the mother and only she really knows (or might do!) who the father is. There is an assumption in law, however, that unless told otherwise, the husband is the father of the baby.
(3) Father/Mother jointly. From 1875 only for couples who were not married. Both were present at the registration and both signed.
(4) Person present at the birth. This covers a wide range of people - could be grandmother, aunt, sister, midwife, neighbour. The more remote they are in kinship from the parents of the baby, the less likely they are to give accurate information.
(5) The owner or occupier of the house or institution. This includes the master of the workhouse, matron of a hospital, a relative or friend if the mother had gone to have the baby there.
(6) The person in charge of the child. This could be the father of an illegitimate child - he could not register as father and have his details as father included but he could do the registration. It could be the master of the workhouse if an unmarried mother died in childbirth - or equally any vague relative or kind neighbour who took the baby in.
These days it is pretty rare for anyone other than mother or father or both to register although all the other categories are very occasionally used to effect a registration if mother and/or father are not available for whatever reason. Eg I have seen "in charge of the child" in a registration where father of the baby was not known and mother was too mentally disabled to be capable of doing the registration.
The address of the informant. Remember that if a mother has a baby away from her own home and does not do the registration, you do not have an address for her. Addresses can be very vague before about 1880 - often just the name of the town or village is all that is given.
In 1837 the list included 1, 2, 4 and 5 and by 1875 the list looked much as today.
From http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm
it is a good site to put into your favorites
Roy
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No, the mother didn't have to be present at the registration, nor the father come to that as long as they were married to each other.
The name could be that of the Midwife as Lindsey suggested, or even a best friend or Landlord/lady!
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Have you looked for that name on the 1911 census, maybe a midwife oe a relation?
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Hi every one
Who could register a birth in 1914 England
i have a birth no father named on birth certificate but a name i do not know registerd the birth ?
did the mother have to be present at registration
any help cheers Stu
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