Genealogy Chat

Thank you so very much Eringobragh, you've been incredibly helpful. The witnesses to Luis and Ester's marriage just gave E. Bellew and Mary Douglas. I also feel that I should investigate the parents of Anne Farrell baptised in Kells, Co. Meath, on the 4 June 1837. The coincidence of her parents names being William Farrell and Judith Bellew is too tempting to ignore don't you think?

Lynn....I dont know that much !!
My passion is Irish History and lots of the info.I have has been collected over the years...I tend to focus on names and places then combine the "Modern" Info.with Historical Primary Source Data....not difficult but time consuming.

To search a Townland all you need to do is put that in a search engine and see what comes up...however if you look at the acreage of both they are small so the populace would be a few families...
You would need to locate the earliest record for that Townland...probably something on the Flax Growers (1796) List but I have already checked that for you and the only Farrell's listed are :

John Farrel......Brayfield
Abraham Farrell...Turlough
Dominick Farrell...Bekan
Pat. Farrell ...Kill

The next would be the Tithes (1826)...(only aval.Micro.)

I have also checked the 1846 Castlebar Comm.Directory for the Custom/Revenue Collector...its not a Farrell

The 1826 Directory doesnt list that info.

Does it give any info relative to Esther on the MC....

Have checked Griffiths for Farrells (both Curraghs)..none in Tirawley Barony.
All in Carra...sending them by PM

Thank you again. How do I now explore the Townland information i.e.where do I search? On a general note, how on earth do you know so much?

Lynn...You have probably got the correct area...there were (Speaking about time your searching) 2 Curragh Townlands..as you can see below the were split ...
I would be focusing on the first....
Remember Civil Parish's were not the same as "Ecclesiastical" eg RC Parishs

Curragh 114 acres. Barony of Carra Civil Parish ...Aglish...Poor Law Union... Castlebar.

Curragh 220 acres (B) Tirawley ......(CP) ..Ballynahaglish.... (PLU)..Ballina

Unfortunately not., only Aglish RC Parish. Am I correct in thinking that if I could identify the Church then the records from there would give an address? The Elham Farrells didn't feel right because of their home counties, apart from Lewis who had the same name and Roscommon is an adjoining County to Mayo. I put his name and year of birth into roots ireland but when I included surnames of mother and father got the response no records. I also found on roots the birth of another Mayo Farrell to William Farrell and Judith Bellew so have little doubt that these were probably the brother and sister of Luis and Ester wouldn't you say? Am now (fairly) sure that I have the right couple in Luis and Ester because the sponsors at Robert's baptism in 1845 (i.e. Williams brother) both had the surname Russel. Sarah Russel/Rozzell was the person that William (1841) had three illegitimate children with in England. Again that would be a very strange coincidence, especially as it appears to be one of the less common irish surnames.
p.s. have just discovered that there was a Revenue Police Barrack in the Townland of Curragh. Would he have lived close to his employment, maybe?

Lynn.....Did it give the "Townland" for the Marriage of Louis and Esther....?

Dear Eringobragh,

You are an absolute star. Thank you so much.

Lynn...Have no idea whats going wrong...I have had the same problem but here they are...and others

Surname Forename Year of birth Place of birth Location in 1861 Individual
Household

Farrell W 1843 Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell James 1831 Monaghan, Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell James 1841 Tipperary, Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell John 1841 Dublin, Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell John 1842 Wicklow, Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell John 1842 Kildare, Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell Lewis 1838 Radcommon, Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell Margaret 1839 Tipperary, Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell Mary 1859 Kildare, Ireland Elham, Folkestone View
Farrell John 1861 Shorncliffe Elham, Folkestone

This exciting journey feels like a trip around a maze! I manage the difficulty of Finding Luis and Ester through creative spelling but still can't find the Elham/ Eltham Farrells on GR. What am I doing wrong? I keep getting the response - no record.

Lynn....Look on it as an adventurous journey... You never know what you will find along the way.....!!!

The Eltham farrell's I found are listed in the GR index (above ) "Search Records"
Yes I think your Luis is the correct one...Well done !!
I didnt find him....spelling of both Christian and Surnames have changed considerably over the years hence its necessary to use every permutation even withing the same families....

Hello again Eringobragh,

Have found a couple using a very creative permutation. Tried LUIS FERRAL and ESTER BELLEW. This couple were married on 11 December 1835 in the Aglish Parish. Do you think the spelling is too different for it to be the same couple?? Interestingly, Luis is recorded as being employed in the Revenue Police (if this is my relative, am thoroughly ashamed and embarrassed!)
Am interested in pursuing the Elham links. Did you find these on Genes? I've had no luck searching for Lewis in the English census and only found William in 1881 and 1891 living in Wigan. Will also check out the death of Esther.
Thank you so much for pointers.
p.s. have now tried to check census records for Elham on both Genes site and Ancestry, but drew blanks on both. Where did you find them? Would like to check out the William born in 1841 but that Lewis couldn't be the father because if he died in 1869 aged 34, then he was born in 1835 (brother?) A challenge this Irish family research isn't it??

Lynn.....Assuming it is the elusive Wm.son of Lewis Farrell and Esther/Ellen Bellew you are after....

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1271401?page=1

I have had no luck finding either there are a couple of Bellew listed but none matching...No Lewis Farrell/Farrill tried various Permutations....

Have you looked at Lewis Farrell b Ireland and living (1861) Elham (Folkstone) he died 1869 aged 34 Death Reg Headington.....there are also other Farrells in Elham a W.Farrell b 1841 Ireland.

I do not have access to the Census to check out this for you...I also see a James Bellew on the index.....

Have you considered Lewis may have been based in Castlebar...it was a Military Town.....

There is a Death Reg June quarter Wigan 1863 for an Esther Farrell....Have you looked at that one...?

:-) to Vera.


Good Luck Lynn it's a real beggar when you pay for something and not all the info you want is there. Especially when you pay for a look at what might or might not be what you want.

Persie

Edit: Just thought I would add re George who posted earlier on thread.... well that is his photo in the avatar.. I think it is great.

Persephone

I didn't scroll down to the bottom. Slapped wrist.

Vera

Hi Eringobragh,

Haven't got the birth certificate. Paid my 5 euros and got the information from rootsireland, so all it gave me was date of baptism, parents names, sponsors names and simply recorded Aglish RC Parish. I discovered this afternoon that there was an old RC Church in Castlebar that was demolished when the Holy Rosary Church was consecrated in 1901. I suspect that may have been the one-yes? Am now attempting to track down where they lived but don't know where to begin. I have the date of the marriage of my great grandfathers parents now but have come to a full stop in making progress with my search.
Best wishes from Lynn
p.s. could have been the Church of the Assumption that Vera mentioned as that doesn't appear to exist now.

Lynn ...How do you know he was Baptised there..? If you have his Baptismal Cert.then surely that gives the name of the Church.....

Dear Joy, Persephone,Vera and Maura,

Thank you all so very much for your help. I still hadn't found the information so very much appreciate your efforts on my behalf. Time now to plan a visit and search out those churches! Best wishes from Lynn

Castlebar, Holy Rosary Church is a roman catholic church in the parish of Castlebar (Aglish, Ballyheane and Breaghwy) in the diocese of Tuam

Strange that Vera,

Heaps of Parishes, and lots of Baptisms with the street names of the parents etc.

Did find this on Wikipedia

There are three Catholic churches within the parish

the Church of the Assumption, Aglish
the Church of St. James, Ballinameela (1833)
Mount Stuart Church.

There is a great long list of names in Aglish including Knockphunta (I love that name) and Knockacroghery.

There is a lot of data on the net about the parish but whether it yields what Lynn wants? is another thing.

Persie

Aglish Civil Parish Characteristics, County Mayo, Ireland

still no names of churches.

Aglish Civil Parish falls within Carra Barony and is part of Castlebar Roman Catholic Parish. The Civil Parishes of Aglish, Breaffy (Breaghwy) and Ballyheane make up the modern parish of Castlebar. When the Griffith's Valuation was conducted for Aglish Civil Parish in 1857, there were essentially four churches: a Roman Catholic Chapel in the Town of Castlebar that lies within the Townland of Garryduff, a Convent and Convent Chapel in the Town of Castlebar within the Townland of Gorteendrunagh, a church of unknown affiliation in the Town of Castlebar within the Townland of Knockaphunta and a Wesleyan Meeting House on the Green (Mall) in the Town of Castlebar that resides in the Townland of Knockaphunta. There were two Graveyards, one in the Townland of Ballynew and one in the Town of Castlebar within Knockphunta. There was also a burial ground in the Town of Castlebar within the Townland of Knockacroghery. (Griffiths, 1847-1864; 2003, Aglish).

Vera