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Just before he went into the army

1891 census - household transcription
Person: FISH, Mary Anna
Address: 16, Reuben Street, Bethnal Green


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FISH, Mary Anna Head Widow F 49 1842
Wisbech
Cambridgeshire VIEW
FISH, William Son Single M 27 1864 Shoe Salesman
Wisbech
Cambridgeshire VIEW
FISH, Mary A Daughter Single F 22 1869
Spitalfields
London VIEW
FISH, Charles Son Single M 20 1871 Carman
Spitalfields
London VIEW
FISH, Albert Son Single M 9 1882 Scholar
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
FISH, John R Son Single M 11 1880 Scholar
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
FISH, Joseph Son Single M 15 1876 Labourer
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
FISH, Sarah Daughter Single F 13 1878 Scholar
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
JONES, James Lodger Single M 29 1862 Skin Dyer
Stepney
London VIEW
KING, James Lodger Single M 28 1863 Labourer
West Ham
London VIEW

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He took a year off his age when he enlisted for some reason.....or maybe he did'nt know his year of birth?

1881

Name: Charles T. Fish
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Fish
Mother's name: Mary A. Fish
Gender: Male
Where born: Spitalfields

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 35 Scott Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 425
Folio: 21
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
William Fish 36
Mary A. Fish 39
Elizabeth Fish 14
William Fish 17
Mary A. Fish 12
Charles T. Fish 9 >>>>Looks like J on the image
Alice J. Fish 7
Joseph H. Fish 5
Sarah E. Fish 3
John R. Fish 1


Army papers say his mother was Mary Ann Fish and an address in Bethnal Green 16 Reuben St

Looks like his birth

Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
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Fish Charles John Whitechapel 1c 310

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British Army Service Records 1760-1913
First name(s): Charles John

Last name: FISH

Calculated year of birth: 1873

Parish of birth: Spitalfields

Town of birth: London

County of birth: Middlesex

Age at attestation: 18 years 10 months

Attestation date: 16 June 1891

Attestation corps: Army Service Corps

Attestation soldier number: 10057

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps:

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 4834 / 70

There are 4 images available for this soldier


He married Bridget Baird from Dublin

Children Mary ann 1895, Norah Josephine 1897 and William Joseph 1900

Is this the man?


St Paul Dublin could that be the place also?

HI K, Joy, & Bren

No sign of a St. Pancras in Dublin on those sites.

Jax, I only know the St. Pancras Station in London.

The Man I am trying research is a Charles John Fish b.1874 - now there is only one on Ancestry and he was born in Lincolnshire. It is just that he put on his enlisting form where born: St. Pancras Dublin.

He did marry an Irish Girl and settled in Dublin, I just want to make sure I have the right Charles John Fish. There is nothing on the Irish pages on Family search, only from his marriage onwards.

Many thanks to you all for the trouble taken, really appreciated.

Regards, GinaS

PS. Apologies for the delay in expressing Thanks

My gran always used to say she came from Dundee in Ireland, she obviously did'nt know where it was and she actually came from London anyway.

Could this just be a mistake? Is this person definatley from Ireland do you know?

jax

Edit - before anyone says anything yes I know Dundee is in Scotland...but my gran did'nt :-)

I have looked through the lists of parishes in Ireland also the Variants list of parishes which differ from those shown on the maps
But I can't find St Pancras

Bren

I can see neither a Roman Catholic parish of that name - http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/dublinrc.htm - nor Church of Ireland - http://www.dublindiocese.ie/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=27 - this, hopefully, lists all parishes in Dublin - http://www.dublinheritage.ie/parish_records/index.html

Here are the civil parishes - http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/civilparish/index.cfm?fuseaction=GetMap&CityCounty=Dublin

This link gives detials of the towns and Reg Dists in Dublin County, but there is nothing that looks a possible match

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=684ro0h83e52dt9cpsvkhnfha7&topic=380284.0

Only St Pancras I have heard of is in London

jax

Has anybody, doing an Irish tree heard of a Registration District called:

St. Pancras, Dublin.

(It is written on some British Army Records around the end of the 19th Century.

I jave asked in the GRO Office in Dublin and the lady said there was no such place.