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Hi everyone,
I am trying to find out about my 4x GGrandfather who was listed as a shipmaster/owner on different certs .
On the poorhouse application in 1861 for his daughter he is listed as a shipowner dec.
On his marriage cert on 18/12/1801 it states Robert Clark Shipmaster in Limekilns (wife Isabel Anderson)
I contacted Fife Family History and the librarian very kindly gave me the following;
she traced 2 Robert Clarksthrough "The Mariners of Fife 1700-1800" by David Dobson
1st Clark Robert skipper in Limekilns 1783 and 2nd Clark ...... master of the Euphan of LImekilns from Aberdeen to the Forth in 1751.
I have ruled the 2nd one out as he would have been too old to have married in 1801 and be dec by 1861.
I tried searching the customs records at the NA in Edinburgh but as I dont know the name of his ship havent found anything.
Can anyone give me any hints as I am stumped.
Many Thanks
Linda
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I presume you may have this but just in case - maybe a relative:-
Kinneddar Cemetery, Lossiemouth
Sacred to the memory of Robert Clark,jun.,shipmaster,Limekilns,who perished by shipwreck in Spey Bay August 3rd MDCCCXXIX aged 23 y.Also Andrew Anderson,shipmaster,uncle to the above R.Clark, who died at lossiemouth 29th June 1851 aged 79 years
http://www.oddquine.co.uk/oddsnends/kinnedar7.htm
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Hi K,
thanks for that I didnt have this info I am on my way out to a hospital appt and will check this against the info I have and post it when I get home any idea how I can find out more ie name of his ship?
Linda
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Hi Linda
I found the information from googling. Sadly I don't know where else you would find the information for his ship. Have you tried the Genuki site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/FIF/
The site does list this but it may not be of use
Good Luck Kay
Mariners:
Directory of Seafarers - the East Neuk of Fife 1580-1800 and The Shipping of Anstruther and the East Neuk of Fife by David Dobson can be obtained from the Tay Valley Family History Society.
Sailors on board ships registered at Kirkcaldy in 1851 are listed on CD: Scotland South -East Seamen Crew Lists, 1851 available from Family History Indexes
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this might be of interest to you
Descendants of David Clarke
Generation No. 2
2. COLIN2 CLARK (DAVID1 CLARKE) was born 06 Mar 1749/50 in Limekilns, Fifeshire, Scotland, and died 18 Feb 1808 in Liverpool, England. He married JANET GRAY MCKENZIE 09 Nov 1771 in Windsor,NC, daughter of JOHN MCKENZIE and JANET GRAY. She was born 22 Nov 1750 in Nansemond Co., Va., and died 25 Nov 1778 in Rosefield, Windsor,NC.
Notes for COLIN CLARK:
lived in America-1771 to 1778 at Plymouth,Tyrell Co.,N.C. and near Windsor, Bertie Co.,NC. His children were raised by his family at Rosefield plantation, Windsor, NC, after he returned to Scotland (oldest child was 6, youngest unborn). He was a loyalist during the American Revolution and there is record of his having applied for recompense from Britain for loss of property during the war. There is no record of his having received any compensation. From notes extracted from John Bennett's "Virginia Historical Genealogies" :
he was born 3-18-1750 (note different birth date). He sailed on August 18,1770 from Limekilns, and going by way of Barbados, arrived late in the same year at Plymouth, NC. Here he began trading up and down the coast, Starting with one vessel, the "Martin" of which he was captain. Later he bought other vessels and living ashore, first Plymouth in Terrell Co. and then at nearby Windsor, became a Commission merchant, sending his ships to Norfolk, NY, and the West Indies loaded with tobacco and other local produce and bringing back manufactured goods needed in the colony. .. He married at Rosefield, the Gray home near Windsor. .. he was rapidly amassing a fortune when the Revolutionary War broke out. His wife's side espoused the colonial cause. Colin Clark, however, had taken the oath of allegiance to the British, then required before one could leave the old country, and could not get in an uprising against his own people in a colony in which he had lived but such a short while. He tried to continue his export-import trade without taking sides but finding this impossible, he gave up the business he had worked so hard to establish, and left in the spring of 1778 to go back to Scotland. Before leaving he made what provisions he could for the family had had to leave behind, and he later made various attempts to send money and supplies for their support; none of this got through, but was taken in route. William, his fourth son was born after his departure, and his wife died shortly thereafter, and buried at Rosefield. Of his life abroad we have little information but he appears to have been ill for a long time. Eventually he married again but the name of his wife is not known to us. He is reported to have been drowned in 1808 in Liverpool harbor in the capsizing of a row boat when he was taking ship to return to see his children in America. The ancestry of Colin Clark has not been established but he was probably the son of David Clark, listed in Scotch records as "Shipmaster at Limekilns". In a letter written in 1791 by Colin Clark to his brother in law, William McKenzie, he sent his regards to 'my cousin Thomas Clark, merchant at Buckfield, near Windsor'. This Thomas Clark may have been a son of the Thomas Clark who married Amelia Gray (1739-1814), a sister of Colin's wife, Janet Gray McKenzie. This would make Thomas Clark, Sr. of Bertie Co., NC a Brother of David Clark of Scotland and would confirm the family tradition that Colin Clark and his wife, Janet Gray McKenzie were cousins. After the death in 1778 of Janet McKenzie Clark, her four sons were taken by the childless uncle and aunt, Captain William and Margaret Cathcart McKenzie, and raised on their 'Skewarky' estate which is now in Williamston, NC.
Notes for JANET GRAY MCKENZIE:
Died at age 28 in the fall after her husband left America for Scotland (see notes for Colin Clark), leaving four children under the age of 6.
Children of COLIN CLARK and JANET MCKENZIE are:
3. i. DAVID3 CLARK, b. 15 Oct 1772, plymouth, NC; d. 23 Sep 1829, Halifax Co., NC.
ii. KENNETH CLARK, b. 19 Jan 1775, Windsor, NC; d. 28 Jan 1815, Norfolk, Virginia (buried at Rosefield, Windsor,NC).
Notes for KENNETH CLARK:
Lt. in war of 1812. Unmarried. On his tombstone (erected to his memory by his friend Robert Lennox), the following inscription " died from a high sense of principle which strongly matched his character. He left his home to perform a tour of militia duty and fell a victim to an epidemic fever, while exercising his benevolent feelings in administering to the relief of the sick and dying. He was an affectionate brother, a kind and indulgent master, an ardent and sincere friend."
iii. JOHN MCKENZIE CLARK, b. 01 Nov 1776; d. 1808, Chapel Hill, NC.
Notes for JOHN MCKENZIE CLARK:
John Clark may have died while attending UNC... from notes from the Clark family: "Old Aunt Louisa - Mammy - said that her mother always told her that John Clark died while at school at Chapel Hill, NC. and was buried there owing to poor transportation at the time. Some members of the Clark family relate to having seen the marble slab there and read the inscription). His brother Kenneth was his executor"
Other accounts have his burial at the Bryan family home of Buckfield in Bertie Co.
4. iv. WILLIAM MCKENZIE CLARK, b. 06 Nov 1778, Windsor,NC; d. 27 Nov 1836, "Rosefield", Windsor, NC.
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1. DAVID1 CLARKE He married CHRISTIAN ANDERSON.
Child of DAVID CLARKE and CHRISTIAN ANDERSON is:
2. i. COLIN2 CLARK, b. 06 Mar 1749/50, Limekilns, Fifeshire, Scotland; d. 18 Feb 1808, Liverpool, England.
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Descendants of David Clarke - Genealogy.com
COLIN2 CLARK (DAVID1 CLARKE) was born 06 Mar 1749/50 in Limekilns, Fifeshire, ... the son of David Clark, listed in Scotch records as "Shipmaster at Limekilns ". ... On his tombstone (erected to his memory by his friend Robert Lennox), ...
familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/u/r/q/Margaret-mo... - 16k - Similar
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Hi everyone,
Just checked in again and found all your interesting postings lots of information not sure if its connected to "my" robert clark who married in Limekilns in 1801 to an Isabel Anderson.
the posting by K re the Kinnedder cemetery is interesting the Robert mentioned died in 1829 aged 23 it does state Robert Jnr?
I have the 1851 census where Roberts daughter and grandchildren are staying with a Margaret Anderson ( listed as Aunt aged 73) still in LImekilns
this could be the widow/sister of Andrew Anderson who died 29/6/1851.
I think Im more confused now can anyone make any sense of all of this
Kay will have a look at the Genuki site
I am now going to go and hang out the washing that has been in the machine for the past 5 hours and make a start on the dinner as my son has informed me that he has to be in the recording studio by 7pm!!!
No pressure! I am sooo naughty no housework done today I just get so engrossed when I start doing this I refuse to clear all my stuff from the table its going to be eat off your knee tonight (will give them plates if they are very good!
check in later many thanks to everyone for all the help
Linda
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I think this could well be the Andrew Anderson who died in 1851 - I am afraid that housework is the last thing I do!!!
Name: Andrew Anderson
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1773
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Anderson
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fifeshire
Parish Number: 130
Civil parish: Drainie
Town: Lossiemonth
County: Moray
Occupation: Sailor Retired
ED: 3
Page: 13 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 49
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_30
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Anderson 78
Jane Anderson 55
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Hi K,
thanks for everything my brain is fried think I need to leave this for tonight and have another look at it afresh tomorrow (oh and bring the washing in!)
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under descendants of David Clarke it says Generation No 2 sorry if im being really thick (can I get away with blaming it on the inner ear infection?)
I cant figure out how any of these match up with Robert Clark am I missing the obvious anyone help
Thanks
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No worries not hard to confuse me problem is there were 2 Clarks known to be sailing from Limekilns at the same time I have a feeling this is the other clark will just have to keep ploughing through the NA records and will hopefully find him eventually
Many thanks for to everyone for all the help
Linda
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Hi K,
Just an update I got a PM which gave me Robert Clarks children and yes one was the Robert who you told me was buried in Kinneddar Cemetry
My next task is to see if I can find any report of this in newspapers etc this is brilliant I reallly thought I was flogging a dead horse!!
Thanks everyone
Linda
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Hi Linda
Brilliant - I do hope this works out, However I did find this census attached to a tree on Ancestry - for Robert Clark b 1805 listed as the son of Robert Clark and Isabel Anderson - listed as still alive in 1851 - so there may have been at least two Roberts born about the same time. I keep thinking there should be a connection between Andrew Anderson and your Isabel but have come up with dead ends
Will keep looking Kay
1851
Name: Robert Clark
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Clark
Gender: Male
Where born: Limekilns, Fife
Parish Number: 424
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Limekilns
COUNTY: Fife
Address: Village Of Limekilns
Occupation: Mariner
ED: 2A
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 29
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_87
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Clark 45
Catherine Clark 37
Peter Clark 14
Jane Clark 12
Hugh Clark 8
Margaret Clark 3
Robert Clark 3 MO
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K
I have the 1851 Census showing Isabels daughter Ann Thomson Clark and her children Isabella and James stayong with a Margaret Anderson (listed as Widow) relation is Aunt. I think she is the wife of Andrew Anderson mariner (the one you posted about)
Isabels maiden name was Anderson so think she may have been Andrews sister not proven this yet but its not much of a leap is it?
Doesnt the Scottish naming system drive you mad sometimes?
Thanks for all the help will let you know if I find anything
Linda
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Andrew Anderson was still alive in April 1851 and died not die until 29th June 1851 aged 79 year so I don't think sadly Margaret could have been his widow, but that doesn't mean Andrew was not another brother.
I think the one I found in 1851 could well be him. There seem to be a number of Isabel's in the area born about the right time.
Kay
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Hi K
Just been on SP and got the 1841 1nd 1851 Census's for Robert and Catherine Clark u posted the 1851 for me that you found from a tree on Ancestry do you know who the tree owner is and how I could contact them I dont have membership of Ancestry if you do the only way I can think of is for me to PM you my email address to pass on to them unless you can think of a different way?
Only thing thats confusing me is how did they know the parents of Robert this doesnt show on a census?
Thanks again for all your help
Linda
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Hi again K
Back on SP searched for births with Robert and Isabel from 1802 - 1854 (I find that if you put in the full year range and search for both sexes it lists all children from that marriage then it only costs 1 credit to view the list instead of paying for each seperately although to see ind records u would still use 5 credits per view but every little helps.
Anyway sorry I went off on a tangent there I foun that Robert Clark and Isabel Anderson had 4 children;
DOB 18/3/1803 Margaret
DOB 16/10/1805 ROBERT
DOB 16/10/1805 DOB 14/8/1809 Ann Thomson and Thomas
Now the notice you found about the shipwreck says that that Robert was the nephew of Andrew Anderson so could he be the correct one and the one on the 1841 +1851 census's be wrong.
Any idea how I can check this out
I am going out for dinner 2nite so will have to stop now as I only have and hour to get ready b4 we have to leave and I have to give the pollyfilla time to set!
Check in 2moro thanks a million
Linda
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