Genealogy Chat

Indeed it does, mgnv

it was in the correct quarter, name spelled as Angeline sent it to me


unless there was another person with the same name


However, should wait to get confirmation that it is indeed the correct registration from Angeline.



sylvia

update


the one I found on ancestry was correct ..... so it's something to do with GR


where do GR's transcriptions come from? Are they from fmp??



sylvia

If you mean a cert that was obtained in 1940 yes it could be hand copied or typed.
but any modern copy of any cert from the GRO will be a "scanned"/digitised image, superimposed onto a certificate template,would it not?

Bob

I get confused with diferent format of certificates.

Can someone advise? I think mgnv might know.

I know that marriage certs from local offices are copies of the original certs, and are often the "long form" and show the real signatures of the bride, groom and witnesses, if they could write. Marriage certs from the GRO are written in the hand of a GRO clerk. Birth and Death certs have no signatures of anyone so it doesn't really matter what form they come in, whether typed, handwritten by a modern-day clerk, or copies of that hand-written by a clerk 150 years ago.

Is that right?

Meg

as I understand it



marriage certs from local offices are copies of the copy of the marriage certificate


The original marriage certificate is in the Parish Register, and stays in there.

The Parish Register is kept in the church, or sent to the Deanery or other authorised place after the book is filled or the church decommissioned.



The vicar gives 1 or more copies of that certificate to the bride (I have 10 copies!!)

Then he sends a copy to the Registry Office who copy it into their records ........ he will usually send batches of bmds to the local Registry Office at approximately 3 monthly intervals.


The Registry Office then send the information down to GRO at regular intervals, and they were copied into the GRO record books.





sylvia

Meg's not quite right - for births and deaths, the local register contains the signature of the informant. Usually, local rego offices don't have a digitizing capability, so all you can get are copies of the local registers. The only exceptions to this I know of are Birmingham and Scotland, In SCT, SP made images of the local regos, not the GROS copy.

For marrs, Sylvia is correct if the vicar is authorized to keep an official register. In that case, the vicar is authorized to issue m.certs, and m.certs issued at the time of the ceremony will often contain original signatures. Those he issues later won't (apart from his own).

Pre-1898, only C of E, jews & quakers could keep registers. After 1898, all flavours of non-conformists were authorized to keep registers (RCs had to wait until 1980-ish). In the case of an early non-conformist marr or even a later RC marr, the registrar had to attend, and his own register was the official one that had to be signed, so these Registrar Attended marrs as well as rego office marrs will be at the local office. In Wales, it was the C of W that was the established church and always authorized to keep regos. Note that more than 50% of marrs in Wales (and Durham) were non-conformist.

For clarification with Sylvia's post - the vicar only sent batches of marrs to the local office, not all bmds.
At the end of each quarter, the local registrar in a su-district would send a copy of his entries for that quarter to the district superintendent, who would then forward them to the GRO, maybe supplementing them with copies from an older rego in his possession. The sub-districts forwarded completed regos to the superintendent. A local B or D rego had 500 entries at 5 per page.