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Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 22 Jan 2011 01:02

I don`t think he was born George Price..... I doubt he was ever registered.......there is no evidence that his mother Jane Hattrick/Attick/Atterick was ever married to anyone called Price...i think the first time he turns up with that name is in 1876 when he married, he could have just assumed it, people did......

When Jane his mother married George Parnham his step father, her surname was Attick not Price .

In the newspaper article it mentions his 13 year old daughter Grace........, in 1881 George Prices daughter Grace was 4 years old, there isn`t a Grace Parnham birth registered around that time...only Grace Hattrick Price who i posted on page 1, thats the only thing that links it all, they both had a daughter called Grace of the same age. What is funny though is that the Widow Jane is still calling herself price in the 1891 census......you`d think if she knew his name was really Parnham then she would have called herself that as well...none of the children seem to have been registered except Grace..


.Wonder what the document is from Norfolk archives confirming these 2 men are the same person?......newspaper article makes no reference to it..



Nicky

Mary

Mary Report 22 Jan 2011 09:33

I wonder if it was a gypsy thing,as he married Jane Hollis of Gypsy ancestry.
Was he the stepson of George Parnham.

Maryb

Cheryl

Cheryl Report 22 Jan 2011 18:59

I know how Rosie feels. She wants to get to the bottom of it. I have the same with my hubbies family where someone used 2 names.
After many searches and plenty of help from people on here, I have decided to gather all info pre 1841 on the 2 possible people that could be hubbies relative. At least that way I sould have the correct details. I just won't know which one is correct.
To many that would seem pointless but if it stops me poking my eyes out with sticks then it's ok for me.

Sometimes its good to have a little task to solve, but like me, I think Rosie has hit that brick wall and should call it a day

Rosie

Rosie Report 29 Jan 2011 11:43

Hi everyone,

It is true it does not mention Price in the suicide. But the norfolk records office hold a record of George Attrick Price owning the property in which he died, also stating that he died intestate and the property could not be sold until his son Andrew came of age. The widow was Jane (I have checked) and the piece also states 'George attrick Price, Parnham being an Assumed name' or words very simular to that. So, Price bought the property in Rosemary Lane New Buckenham....was jailed for beating his daughter Grace in the July proir to his death in August, because she sold some of his second hand gear and bought some broken biscuits and stuff (poor little thing) I guess thats where my granny got her awful nasty streak (unpleasent woman, and no love lost Im afraid)...He beat his girl again in August and shot himself rather than face the music.
It just seems that when he did something legal , like wedding/buying property , he used the name Price. ( Maybe, as suggested, just a cover) Its a right headache.
I had thought that Elizabeth, his Grandma may have been a Wilson before marrying Hattrick, I had noted the age difference too. Yet someone sent me a wedding notice for Samuel Hattrick and Elizabeth kilvington abt 1822 in the doncaster area I think, so this threw me. Would love to find a link there to Wilson.
Someone also checked out any future/past births for Price etc around 1854 and could find none in that area. (travelling families and the settled community even, wed back into family in those day, mostly) so it would make sense having Wilson link.

The birth for George Price in Lincoln 1854 simply says his name. Father George...chair mender...Mother Jane...formerly wilson...Andersons lane, st johns, (off top my head) lincoln.
Sorry for delay, but ive been unwell. I appreciate any help you give me. Thanks Rosie
ps the 1851 census with Jane Hatrick on Chas Russell being the head, st benidict Lincoln, Parnhams feature on there too.

Rosie

Rosie Report 29 Jan 2011 12:05

Cheryl,

Thanks for that. lol Ive already poked my eyes out...am bald...and my finger nails are down to the quick!!

But Im also like a dog with a bone. I believe there is an answer out there and Im just missing it!

Im very proud of my gypsie upbringing (which gave me a life time of hard labour and probably my crippling arthritis too, I might add) But I can hold my head high that we worked very hard in the fields to survive. My dear parents would never for a moment have set us about stealing, and we were raised with a rod of iron (which did us no harm) And I 'd love to finish off the story'...simple as that. Like everyone else on here I suppose.
By the way, for anyone wanting to preserve their history it may be a good idea to record it to cd? I did a 4 part radio programme which then went out on cd to nearly every education centre in England. It is a true story.

Cheryl

Cheryl Report 29 Jan 2011 13:09

Rosie,
It does sound like you are piecing it together a little at a time.

I solved something only this week. We had a relative who moved from London to market Harborough after his wife died and no one knew why. Well this week, with the help of people on here, I have solved it (almost). We don't know why he chose to move there but we know who he went with and how they knew each other and most probably why they went. We just don't know why they chose that town. He was buried with no grave marker at all but left £20 to the lady, who was his landlady when he died as she registered his death. He was 76 when he died and she was only 28 with 5 young children to raise on her own after her husband died. He left his only effects to her and the children, which we think was lovely.

So keep digging and you never know what you may find.

Cheryl

Rosie

Rosie Report 5 Feb 2011 12:50

hi Flip,

I get what your saying...but there is deffinate link to the name Price, be it a false identity, or a birth name.

He is one and the same man as George Parnham. The property he died in was bought by George Attrick Price, And a report I have states Parnham as an assumed name.

So, it leaves me with this puzzle that I may never solve. Where did he get the name? Or was it all just A'ttrick?

He does state he was born in Notts....while Parham connection states Lincs....Have been checking all for birth.

every once in a while I try again..but it makes my head hurt!

Rosie

Rosie Report 5 Feb 2011 12:58

Thanks once Cheryl

What a lovely story. You know back in those day I think the most unlikely of things happened as men and woman struggled to survive..looks like we may be heading back to that kind of survival from what I hear and read, but pray not.

I cant give up. There is some kind of answer and one day it may slot into place.

Good luck with yours...or Kushti Bok if you understand Romani..

Rosie

Cheryl

Cheryl Report 5 Feb 2011 13:32

Rosie,
Don't forget that county boundaries changed often and maybe he was born on the boundary line.

I live in Peterborough, am 50 years old and I remember it being Northamptonshire, Huntingdonshire and it's now cambridgeshire.

Lincs and Notts are neighbours afterall.

Good luck with your search too.

Cheryl

Rosie

Rosie Report 6 Feb 2011 14:24

Oh? Your quite close to me then? Im Wisbech.

I think you may have sent me a link once about the Drakes living at Eye? I may be muddled on that one) My grandmothers sister Bella's family, tho we always say cousins, who have a lot to do with Greyhounds..

My Cd featured nearly the whole of their family lined up beside their caravans, each with Greyhound on a lead! What a fantastic photo for future generations. We are all settled now and the culture I grew up with will soon disappear from my family...and others I expect. Thats life.

I get what you mean about the boarder thing, thanks Cheryl...

Fingers crossed for some break-through's !

Rosie