Genealogy Chat

May have another brother for Michael. Sophia England (Sophia's mother) is with her son-in-law on the 1881 census - so I assume his wife is Sophia's younger sister married to another Welch!

WELCH, George A W Head Married M 51 1830 Cap. R.N. Retired
Switzerland VIEW
WELCH, Mary C Wife Married F 38 1843 Wife
Cape Town VIEW
WELCH, Annie M Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Cheltenham
Gloucestershire VIEW
WELCH, Kate B Daughter Single F 9 1872 Schol
Worcester
Worcestershire VIEW
WELCH, James H Son Single M 5 1876 Schol
Cheltenham
Gloucestershire VIEW
WELCH, Margret E Daughter Single F 0 1881
Cheltenham
Gloucestershire VIEW
ENGLAND, Sophia Moth In Law Widow F 66 1815 Annuitant
Cornnew VIEW
JAMES, Mary Cook Single F 25 1856 Cook Domes Servant
Coberley
Gloucestershire VIEW
SHILE, Harriet A Servant Single F 20 1861 Nurse Domes Servant
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
FLATCHER, Ellin Servant Single F 21 1860 Housemaid Domes Servant
Bishops Cleeve
Gloucestershire VIEW
RUTLAND, Annie P Servant Single F 14 1867 Kitchenmaid
Chelt VIEW
LONG, Charles Page Single M 16 1865 Page Domes Servant
Chelt VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
2573 Folio:
99 Page:
17

Registration District:
Cheltenham Sub District:
Cheltenham Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Cheltenham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Arle House, Cheltenham County:
Gloucestershire

Wonder if the mother's dead husband was also Naval - they moved about a bit to have children born Ireland & Capetown. Looks like she died Bath 1888. It may be difficult to trace the family births and find Michael though, if the above is his brother born Switzerland.

IF George is the brother of Michael, this could provide thier parentage:

From IGI

GEORGE ASSER WHITE WELCH Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 JUL 1829 British Chaplaincy, Geneve, Geneve, Switzerland

Parents:
Father: GEORGE ASSER WHITE WELCH Family
Mother: ANNE CATHERINE GARDINER

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C999421 1817 - 1842 0563015 Film 0883704 Film
Sheet: 00


From National Archives (availble to download for a price!):
Description Name Welch, George A W
Rank: Captain

Date 20 October 1851
Catalogue reference ADM 196/37
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Officers' Service Records (Series III)
Piece Commission and Warrant Branch: Executive Officers M-Z
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference
Number of image files: 1
Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£)
1292 / 523 PDF 1.2 1 277 1 3.50

On second thoughts, if you look on IGI for births with parents George Welch/Ann Gardiner there are quite a few all from Arle House, Cheltenham where George was living on the 1881 census. But no Michaels among them. Maybe he wasn't a brother, but just another coincidence.

If Sophie married William Sept qtr 1861, and by 1871 she is a widow there's no way of looking for them on a census together to establish his birth place or age bit of a b**mer.

Have you looked at passenger lists on Ancestry, their children were born Canada according to the 1871/81 census so they must have travelled between their marriage in 1861 and the birth of first son George c 1863. And she & children must have returned prior to the 1871 census

I'm just going to have a look through passanger lists. I'm also going to trace the two children of Mary and James forward to see if any living relatives know anything about..anyhing.

Thsnk you very much for your helpnso far. :)

I'm just going to have a look through passanger lists. I'm also going to trace the two children of Mary and James forward to see if any living relatives know anything about..anyhing.

Thsnk you very much for your helpnso far. :)