Genealogy Chat

A member of a Family History Society I belong to recently had a queery re the British Vital Records Index-he e-mailed the LDS and this is the reply which I thought may be of interest to others :-

Thank you for contacting FamilySearch regarding the availability of the IGI records and United Kingdom Vital Records in Record Search and FamilySearch beta. Record Search pilot was designed as a testing site for the online records. All of the records are migrating to the FamilySearch beta site which will eventually drop the beta and become FamilySearch.org. Many records appear in both places, but the plan is to move them all to beta and close the Record Search pilot site.

The records found in the International Genealogical Index were transferred to Record Search and beta if they were extracted records. Extracted records were created when volunteers looked at the original record on microfilm and put that information into an ndex. The names that were submitted by members of the LDS Church were not transferred because they contained no source information.

IGI records will generally show a system origin of ODM (Ordinance Data Management). Often there will be a duplicate record with a system origin of EASy (Extraction Administration System).

The United Kingdom Vital Records were also loaded to the Record Search and FamilySearch beta sites. The source origin should read England VR, England EASy, Scotland EASy, etc. The collections are title England Births and Christenings, Scotland Marriages, Ireland Deaths and Burials, etc.

All of these records should show a source film number. This is the number that will appear in the Family History Library Catalog.

The Legacy collection records (ODM, EASy, VR) do not have images attached to the index. These indexes were created many years ago before the digitization process was developed. If the source film has since been digitized and made available online, you will see a statement on the Title Details page with a link to the online records.

If you find a record from one of these sources and it does not include the film number or the film number is incorrect, please notify us. We will locate the film number for you.



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Thanks for posting this - most informative.

Great thanks. I had been wondering what the England-ODM and England-EASy source names were all about.

Mark.

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I find this very confusing.
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The records found in the International Genealogical Index were transferred to Record Search and beta if they were extracted records. Extracted records were created when volunteers looked at the original record on microfilm and put that information into an ndex. The names that were submitted by members of the LDS Church were not transferred because they contained no source information.
This gives the impression that parish records have been removed from the IGI.Maybe in the future but certainly not at the moment.

I think they must be leaving them until they have completed the exercise !

The thing I have noticed is that the Family Search site and Ancestry are giving different info

I have
Mary BROWN-bapt 23 March 1718-mother Mary (Family Search)
Mary BROWN-bapt 23 March 1718-mother Eliza (Ancestry)

Church BROWN-bapt 07 Feb 1720 (Family SEarch)
Church BROWN-bapt 07 Feb 1719 (Ancestry)

Both give Thomas as the father

It would help to know which Calender they are using !!

Oh dear!
Looks like transcription errors.

I think their systems won't allow the option of 1719/20 when the year number changed over on March 25th (Lady day). The 1st Jan as the first day of the new year came into being in 1752. The transcibers were probably following different rules.

Don't know whats happening about the 1718 one though, unless they are different people? If you wanted a 3rd option, you could try freereg.org.uk and see if they have it.

Thank you -will have a look at Free Reg

I do not know if Ancestry.Fmp and LDS are sharing resources or not.
Findmypast
Enter Church Brown 1719 +/- 5
BROWN 1718 Northumberland Northumberland and Durham Baptisms 10 credits VIEW
BROWN 1720 Cambridgeshire Cambridgeshire Baptisms

My lot are from Berkshire and I have asked the BRO to check them
There is a fee but it is still cheaper than travelling there from Hampshire !

With regard to IGI controlled extractions the indexers are told to use the first date listed where dual dating is used on the source document

https://help.familysearch.org/HelpCenter/main.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=102817&sliceId=SAL_Public

So a document dual-dated 7 Feb 1719/20 would get indexed as 1719. A document dated 7 Feb 1719 would also be index as 1719.

Basically they do not normalise the pre-1752 Jan-Mar dates even when dual dating was used on the source document.

Dual dates are sometimes referred to as 'old-style' and 'new-style' and the start of the year until the change over in 1752 was on 'Lady Day' the 25th March. 1752 is the first year to start on the 1st January.

Mark.

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