Genealogy Chat

Any suggestions I have members of my families missing from the above census years. I have tried spelling their names various ways to no avail. Any ideas ????

Do you have an ancestry or FMP subscription? If so and you know which village they would have lived in, then work your way through the whole village. That has worked for me several times.

If you find that the name has been transcribed wrongly then do get it corrected if possible.

Give us the details from the census records you do have and see if someone else can find them.

Kath. x

Or try just first names and year and place of birth.

When you say you have tried spelling their names different ways have you also considered mistranscriptions? For example an initial T can get transcribed as an F or J (that has happened in my tree).

Sometimes the first names are given as just initials or common abbreviations (Thos, Chas, Wm, Jno etc).

There are many reasons why our ancestors do not appear in the census records where we expect them to be.

Census enumerators may have misheard what they were being told. They may have spelled names differently (Remember that there is no such thing as standardised spelling of names) or because they were human just like us they may have simply made a mistake.

The next step in the recording process is transcribing the record itself. Trying to decipher someone else’s handwriting is not always easy and often results in the record being incorrectly transcribed. Once again the people doing the transcribing are human so mistakes are made. Mistranscriptions can be very frustrating.

Here is a tip which may help you to find who you are searching for.

Type the persons forename into the census search form but leave the surname box completely empty. You can do this in reverse if you wish, entering a surname but leaving the forename box empty. Remember that people often used a different 1st name from the one they were born/baptised with. E.G. Dick = Richard, Harry = Henry, Nellie = Eleanor, Betsy = Elizabeth ect. Be aware also of common enumerators abbreviations such as Thos = Thomas, Hy = Henry, Wm = William ect

Type the persons birth year +/- 2 or +/- 5 years. Some people were not sure how old they were or they may have deliberately lied about their age to make themselves appear younger or older than their spouse. Children’s ages in census returns are generally more likely to be accurate than those of adults.

Type in their birth county/birthplace. Sometimes it pays to leave the birthplace blank because that too may have been misheard or mistranscribed. Some people genuinely did not know their exact place of birth.

Press "Search". This will bring up a list of all the people with that name of approximate age born in that county/place. Scroll through the list (It may be a long list) and hopefully you will find your missing ancestor shown as Borne instead of Bourne or Wilks instead of Wilkes or similar. It doesn't always work but it might.

Look for patterns in words rather than names just beginning with the 1st letter of the correct name. E.G. Baldrick has 8 letters and ends 'ick' as does Coldrick. Anyone looking for someone called Tucker may well be shocked to discover how some of their ancestors were mistranscribed.

Good luck with your research.

Thank's for your suggestions. I have printed them off and will try them out. Will let you know if I'm succesful.
Dave Wright

Details of census' I have got:
1841 William Priddle age 14 Born Middx. Islington
living at Upper St. Islington. Parents: Thomas & Mary Priddle.
1861 Thomas Priddle Jnr. Age 38 Born Islington Middx
Son of Thomas & Mary Priddle.
1871 William & Rosina Priddle and family. Living at 211
Castle Court, Southwark London.
1881 William Robert (son of William & Rosina) Priddle.
And family living at 179 Lynton Rd. Bermondsey London.
1891 No record so far.
1901 & 1911 I have full details of Priddle families i.e
William Robert and son Robert William Priddle plus families.

1881 England Census
Name: William R. Priddle
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rosina Priddle
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Oxford St Giles
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Little Clarendon St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Confectioner
Registration district: Headington
Sub-registration district: St Clement
Household Members: Name Age
William R. Priddle 53
Rosina Priddle 54 - Hoxton, Middlesex,
Henry Priddle 18 - S Lukes, Middlesex



Deaths Sep 1886
Priddle Rosina 62 Headington 3a 452

Deaths Jun 1894
Priddle William Robert 68 Headington 3a 414

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1891 England Census
Name: William R Padden [Actually Pudden on image.]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A Padden
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Milk Street
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Limasol St

Occupation: Postman

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
Household Members: Name Age
William R Padden 35
Mary A Padden 34 - Bermondsey, London
Robert W Padden 15 - Telegraph Messenger; Bermondsey, London
Charles Padden 11 - Bermondsey, London
Florence A Padden 9 - Bermondsey, London
Edith E Padden 5 - Bermondsey, London
Alfred E Padden 2 - Bermondsey, London
Frederick G Padden 1 - Bermondsey, London

Births Dec 1881
PRIDDLE Florence Ada St. Olave 1d 263

Births Mar 1890
Priddle Frederick George St. Olave 1d 241

Marriages Dec 1900
Priddle Florence Ada Camberwell 1d 1510
Redman Walter Camberwell 1d 1510
Thurston Annie Emma Camberwell 1d 1510
Thurston George Camberwell 1d 1510

1911:
REDMAN WALTER M 1880 31 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
REDMAN FLORENCE ADA F 1882 29 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
REDMAN EDWARD GEORGE M 1904 7 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
REDMAN HAROLD DOUGLAS M 1908 3 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
REDMAN FRANCIS ALEXANDRA F 1848 63 St Olave (Bermondsey) London

Hi Ozbird,
Thank's for that. How could they mix up Priddle with Padden or Pudden ? They would seem to be the
correct family for 1891, as the children match up.
I have no record of Limasol St. for the Priddles, and have looked in the Street map for London, which doesn't list
it. However a lot of streets were wiped out in the Blitz.
Will go on to google to see.
Thank's again.
Dave.
Have since looked on the old Victorian Street plans and
there was a Limasol Street, although it has since been built
over, and there is now a Limasol House where the street was.

I now have the 1891 census for the Priddles, thank's to Ozbird.
They were incorrectly shown on the census as Padden and on
the actual image as Pudden. If you look closely at the image
you can see it was Priddle, though the writing isn't too clear.

David, which people in which censuses are you still looking for?

Ozi

This is the one still missing

1861 Census William Robert Priddle born 1823 & Rosina Priddle
nee Barber born 1825

Have now found the 1841 & 1851 Census reports, plus
the 1891 which you found for me.

1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Priddle
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Mary Islington East
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Cross St

Occupation: Carpenter & Undertaker

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Priddle 50
Mary Priddle 45
Mary Priddle 25
Margaret Priddle 20
Thomas Priddle 15
Emma Priddle 12
Joseph Savage 55 - Carpenter

All born in county except Mary snr.

No sign in 1861. Hope somebody shoots me down.

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Deaths Dec 1846
Priddle Emma Whitechapel 2 450

Deaths Sep 1857
Priddle Thomas Islington 1b 158

Marriages Dec 1841
BOCKING George Clerkenwell 3 72
GREEN Henry Clerkenwell 3 72
HARVEY Hannah Clerkenwell 3 72
HUNTER Caroline Slandert Clerkenwell 3 72
MORTIMER John William Clerkenwell 3 72
PRIDDLE Margaret Clerkenwell 3 72
ROBINSON Thomas Clerkenwell 3 72
SMITH Elizabeth Clerkenwell 3 72



Possibly: I couldn't find a Margaret with any of the other men on the marriage index page.
1851 England Census about Margaret Robinson
Name: Margaret Robinson
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thos Robinson
Gender: Female
Where born: St Brides, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 86 St George St

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Paul
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Robinson 32 - Tallow Chandler; St George East, Middlesex
Margaret Robinson 26
Francis Philips 20 - Lodger

You say you've found Thomas & Mary in 1861. Just out of curiosity, what are the details so I can have a look?

Ozi

P.S. No luck with 1861 either.

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