Genealogy Chat

sorry bout the several posts.I now get the system
I cant get on every day so sometimes take a few days to catch up
thanks for all the help so far

fantastic!

And the breaking news is -- I think we *have* cracked it!

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1241591

For anyone who enjoys the thrill of the hunt. ;)

awwww Janey.
You just done a pro out of some money,again..

Shame on you.

Thanks for the link, Chris; I'd been about to ask for it. ;)

And we're close to cracking that case now, I do believe!


(But Clare, for future ref -- no "several posts". Closely related people and the info about them should always be kept in a single post.)

Cross referencing for those working on this

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1241591

thanks for all your posts. I really didnt expect that many replies. I have put several posts on trying to find with no luck im afraid and I am working on 4 names that keep drawing blanks.
My mum is so desparate to find out about her family and I could cry because people never told the truth and seemed to change names for no apparent reason!!!!! her mother put her maiden name down as manning on my mums birth cert and kenny on my mums brothers!!!
My mothers father was listed as kenny on her birth cert. This does not make any sense because my mums mum lived with the kennys.
I have considered that my mum and her brother do not have the same mum but she assures me she remembers her pregnant
kind regards and happy hunting to all

Now, I actually understood that last sentence Janey.....I'll send a missive to her.

I thought I meant seven dimensions. ;) Or five, or nine ... Kind of like one of those infiinity loops, or maybe an MC Escher picture, everything starting nowhere and violating the laws of time and space along the way to somewhere it couldn't possibly end up .......

I wonder whether Clare, who started the thread, has bothered to read the replies, and found any of them useful.

Janey - Quantum physics, eh? I suppose you're referring to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle which states that the more accurately you try to transcribe the individual letters, the less sense the whole text makes.

'ere Fans....keep the bottle....but leave some for me.



Janey, check in at the ranch and you will see (a couple of pages back) that Gins has come up with a proposition. You fit the postion of Head Cook perfectly.....(Sylvs has turned it down - she'd rather be a researcher.....hmm, I can see a squabble looming).

Anyone got some spare asprins please?

Yes, ha ha, whatever. This thread was about white space, I guess ...

Convoluted?

The point was that it was *my search* that was convoluted -- so hellaciously so that it's virtually impossible to explain in two dimensions.

That's because it involved two independent coincidences (the Ernest Hill birth for Ernest Monck, and the Ada Monck marriage for someone I'd never heard of) that I discovered only through the magic of search engines, and investigated in tandem, and ultimately matched up.

Quantum physics, I think.

lol!

Well, you've just ruined our chances of Janey becoming our new Head Cook you numpty!

Yes Janey, we have a job vacant.

I am now in hiding...........


Dont tell Syl

oo'er Ginny!

JC....you're posts are far too convoluted to follow my dear

Can you give us breaks ;)
















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White space!

I agree with the others when they say post your information on here and see what information is uncovered for free.

If everyone draws a blank then that would be the time to consider engaging the services of a professional. I think the questions would then be:

How am I going to distinguish a true professional from a gifted amateur?

How am I going to know that the information that they give is correct? (at least on here if the information is duplicated you know that at least two people think the same)

What am I being charged for?

If they are unable to find the information, how do I know that they actually did the research?

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Conversely, Kay????, there are things that can be found with a search engine that would never be found the "old" way.

When I finally unravelled the mystery of Ernest Hill/Monck -- when my Monck mentor in England (a retired gent who had spent years on a one-name study of Monck and had never heard of mine) found the baptism records in the Cornwall records office that clinched the theory I'd developed -- he just about fell over. He informed me that he couldn't believe it -- I did it all wrong, and I got the right answer.

He found the record that showed the woman I'd surmised to be my man's sister -- who married as Ada Lennox Monck and named the same fake father as my man did -- being baptised Ada Lennox Monck Hill. (I wouldn't have needed that record if I'd waited a few more weeks for FreeBMD to transcribe her birth registration, which I'd missed when I searched images because she'd lied so thoroughly about her age when she married.)

If I had not had the FreeBMD and Ancestry databases and search engines and others on line

- to look for people named Ernest Augustus (with no surname in case of mistranscription) and found EA Hill in Cornwall matching my EA Monck's birth details
- to find EA Hill in the 1861 census with a sister Ada Hill
- to look for the birth of EA Monck's daughter Ada Monck and serendipitously see the marriage of a woman with the exact same unique name as that daughter, Ada Lennox Monck
- to find sister Ada Hill in the 1871 census as Ada LM Hill, actress, in London, where Ada Lennox Monck married
- to search the 1891 census by given names and birth details alone and find Ada's husband and children hiding in Somerset under the husband's own fake surname
- to search the South African archives and find Ada's son writing to the authorities, under the fake surname, looking for his father (and be given a copy of the letter free of charge from that source)

and on and on -- if it weren't for databases and search engines, no one would know now, or ever, who my great-grandfather really was. Because no one would ever have been looking for a person named Ernest Augustus Hill or his family. (I've "met" descendants of two of his siblings, sisters Emma and Ada, through this site and Ancestry, and both of them had the same kind of totally fake information as I had, only totally different. ;) )

I've used that same process to unravel uncounted mysteries here at GR, the name-shifters like my gr-grf being my particular specialty. ;) Not possible without databases and search engines.

There actually has been only one thing that a professional got me in all of this.

A google found me Ada's son in the Imperial Yeomanry lists at Kevin Asplin's site -- serendipity again, because I searched for the two words Monro and McCock (do not try this at home), and it just happened that RM McCock, the son Henry Rossiter John Monro Coke aka McCock, was on the same page of that site (which I had never heard of) as a Mr Monro. And because I'm in Canada, I couldn't go to Kew to find his military records, so that GR member did it for me, not for a fee.

Yes, I'm sure there are things I would like to have, eventually, that I might end up having to have searched on site, and be unable to do it myself.

But in that case and others, I wouldn't even know what to look for if it weren't for the online databases.