Genealogy Chat

mgnv, thank you for a very detailed answer. The incredible thing is that I am looking for two names at the moment:

Joseph Lester (my grand father) and Edward Jascourt (could be Jascowitz) so it intrigues me that the example you used came out with a Jascowitz.

Was there any connection with my name when you were doing these searches?

Between 1911 and today, the most useful records are BMDs, electoral rolls and directories/phone books.
Electoral rolls only cover adults (and thru 1918-ish only male adults), and phones weren't widespread either, certainly thru WW2. Even in the early 1960s, I would still go to the call box at the end of the road.

The GRO index to BMDs is available thru 1983 at FreeBMD. It's not transcribed that far, but one can "view images" via a really klunky interface - but it's free.

GR is probably the cheapest way to get census records but, especially as they charge good money for it, the search is distinctly substandard. One really has to know exactly how it's been transcribed (or mistranscribed). They don't really hold the images, but link to FMP's images and transcriptions.

To get round the limitations of GR's search, it's really best to search elsewhere - either Ancestry or FMP, then, when I know what I want, look it up on GR.

As an example, suppose Gary wanted to find all his full sibs.
Search first on Ancestry, giving his parents surnames only, then pick out the likely hits for the GR image. One can do the same for marrs.
Every now and again, there's problems - somtimes the index is wrong.

Name: Anne S J*******
Spouse Surname: G*****
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Registration district: Hackney
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 1587

Anne is also listed as Shirley M J*******

We can see many of the details on Ancestry by clicking on the shopping basket - but don't be buying them thru Ancestry as they have a markup that more than doubles the cost of buying the cert vs placing the order online yourself with the GRO. However, when we look up the spouse, there's an incorrectly transcribed vol #.

Name: Leonard M G*****
Spouse Surname: J*******
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Registration district: Hackney
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 5d
Page Number: 1587

Here's another ambiguous name:

Name: Isidore J*******
Spouse Surname: Setofaky
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1923
Registration district: London City
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 64
Find Spouse: Dora Setofsky

Isidore is also listed as Isidore Jascowitz
Seems like he remarried.

Name: Isadore J*******
Spouse Surname: N*****
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1969
Registration district: Brent
Registration county (inferred): Greater London
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 1133
Find Spouse: Betty N*****

Well, maybe not - there's a 1958q2 death of Edward I J******* in Hackney a=59.


I guess this is an immigrant family - I can only find one instance of the name in 1901 - Joseph Jaskirwitz and his family - he's Austrian born, but a naturalized British Subject. He's at 6 Meard St in St Anne Soho. [rg13/100/116/33] - I transcribe it as Joseph Jaskiewitz

One can search using the census ref at FMP, and Ancestry (using their old search style). Of course, lacking a sub, one won't see full details of the hit, but one will see the name - FMP agrees with my transcription.

As an aside, another complaint abt GR is that there's no easy way to see an adjacent page. I don't know what info you get with a census image on GR. However, for this image the full ref is available - the 1901 census code (=rg13) and the piece # (=100) appears on the PRO copyright slip off the margin of the page proper. The folio # (=116) is stamped on every other page using an increasing stamper, and the page # (=33) is printed on the page. To find the following page, increase the page #, and to find the preceding page decrease both the folio # and the page #.
FMP insists you use the full ref, but Ancestry will let you omit the folio #. This would bring up all the page 33's in the piece (4 of them here) and I could then increase or decrease that and get the 4 pages of names and hopefully spot whom I wanted, or else try them all.

Don't assume my examples have anything to do with your mob. I was just picking examples.

Thanks Irene and Jax,

It's all becoming clear to me now......

Kind regards,

Cathy

Just to confirm that if you have a Gold membership you will have access to the census from 1841 - 1901. I have also checked a birth of my niece in 1971 and found it straightaway. This site may not find the information as quickly as the other sites but the information is there. -JLe

Have sent a private message with two possible births for your father.

Your own birth is on Ancestry, registered in the March qtr. of 1969 in Brent district.

Kath. x

If you click my account at the top then membership and payment details it will say when you joined

jax

Cathy

Your membership follows you Name at the top right hand corner of this page - just under adverts
For example mine says Irene - Basic Member

If you "hover" your mouse over your name on this posting - your membership number is shown at the very bottom of your browser page


Irene

How do you find out what your membership is please?

Wish I had known :(

Apologies, I miscalculated. He was born in 1930, not 1920 in London as far as I know. East end.

Most members will tell you not to take out Gold or Platimum membership on this site as GR hold NO records at all and you are just redirected to other sites.

Hi GB

If I registered then I had forgotten. I have tried a number of times to find out about my family but never manage to get started. This is the first time i have actually paid for information but am still floundering about. I have taken a gold membership so hopefully will get better over time.

Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Lester Norman Spooner Manchester N. 8d See J 31

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Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
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Lester Norman F Stevenson Devonport 5b 561

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Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
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Lester Norman H Hope W.Ham 4a 522



As your parents marriage is just Norman than if 1920 is correct year of birth then possibly the Manchester one




You really need the marriage cert of your parents to confirm the name and occupation of his father

Yeps - parents are Norman and Rosalind :)

what happens between the end of the 1911 census and now?
- I shall bring forward a thread giving information about census for you.

Concerning birth registrations, they will not, as far as I am aware, be found on this site - but they can be found on the ancestry and the find my past sites, and can be found by searching fiche or films in records offices or in main libraries.

maybe just registered means just paid for membership
to use the boards ect?


jax

Just registered?

Does not say just started to use the site

What I cannot understand GB is just because someone has an old membership number does'nt mean they have used the site before.

Accordingto my details I registered in 2007 I think it was before that.....but I had never used the boards until Jan 2010

jax

Censuses since the 1911 one are not available to the public, so you won't find them.
Also, when looking for births (or marriages and deaths for that matter) they are grouped in the indices in to quarters of when the event was registered (not when it actually happened). Therefore a January birth would (probably) be shown as March, but a March birth may be either March or June (if it was not registered until the start of April).

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Are your parents Norman and Rosalind?