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I am totally cross eyed!

Here goes:

Thomas Penfold b c1848 (father Edward)
married
Augusta Louisa Ostler in 1897 (Westminster)
she had previously married
Frederick Richard Gundy in 1871
Augusta died in 1905

He then married Augusta's sister
Louisa K Ostler in 1907 (Westminster)

He is stated as a widow on both marriage certs.

Can someone please find Mr. Gundy's likely death?

Also a likely first marriage for Thomas Penfold prior to his first marriage above.

His occupation was boot maker and the address on both marriage documents was 15 Little George Street.

On the marriage record to Augusta the name Louisa has been crossed out and Ann inserted but I am sure it's the correct record going by her father etc.,

Any suggestions welcomed and thanks for reading the above waffle. If I have left out a vital piece of info you need please let me know.

Thanks

Sue

1891

Name: Thomas Penfold
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Penfold 43
Elizabeth Penfold 45
Lizzie Penfold 20
Thomas H Penfold 17
Mary Penfold 15
Kate Penfold 12
James Penfold 10
Annie A Penfold 9
Ada J Penfold 7
Juellins Penfold 4
Samuel Shephard 50
Richard Lane 25
George Hunt 24



15 Little George St

Class: RG12; Piece: 95; Folio 140; Page 11; GSU roll: 6095205


Children all listed as born Marylebone

thats def right one as the address matches GB
15 little George St on marriage to Augusta

Deaths Dec 1894 (>99%)


GUNDRY Frederick Richard 44 Marylebone 1a 335

1881 but need to check the ages on image

Name: Thomas Penfold
Age: 63
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil parish: Marlebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 12 Upper Rathbone Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Bootmaker Journeyman

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Penfold 63
Eliza Penfold 55 born France
Pauline Penfold 13 born St James
Lizzie Penfold 10
Thomas Penfold 7
Mary Penfold 5
Kate Penfold 2
James Penfold

Class: RG11; Piece: 133; Folio: 10; Page: 13; GSU roll: 1341030.



Ages are as shown on image so ages do not match the 1891 census. But Elizabeth does say birth place France in 1891

Oh thank you all :-))

Rose that looks VERY likely, thanks.

GB you are a star, thanks

Thank you too Joseph.

The Ostlers are a HUGE family and all stem from Yeovil and were in the glove manufacturing industry. By the time I have sifted through them and then discovered that two men in the tree are one and the same with a slight variation in the Christian names I am really confused.

The above gives me more info to research :-))

Thanks again

Sue

EDIT No not this one!

just looking through

Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%)

Parker Elizabeth Worthing 2b 545
Penfold Thomas New Worthing 2b 545

Baptism

Name: Thomas Henry Penfold
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 21 Apr 1874
Father's Name: Thomas Penfold
Mother's Name: Eliza Penfold
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

address 8 Upper Rathbone place i think...Thomas is a Bootmaker

Yes thanks Joseph :-))

Rose I have just looked at that on Free BMD the other one around the right date would be earlier 1865 Elizabeth Ann Williams.

Sue

Name: Mary Penfold
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Dec 1875
Father's Name: Thomas Penfold
Mother's Name: Eliza Penfold
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

12 Rathbone place

and also

Name: Jessia Penfold ***Jessie
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Mar 1877
Father's Name: Thomas Penfold
Mother's Name: Eliza Mary Penfold
Parish: St Andrew, St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex
12 Rathbone place...note mum Eliza mary on this one

Sadly

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PENFOLD Jessie Marylebone 1a 489


Deaths Mar 1878 (>99%)
PENFOLD Jessie 0 Marylebone 1a 391

Name: James Howard Penfold
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 19 May 1880
Father's Name: Thomas Penfold
Mother's Name: Eliza Mary Penfold
Parish: St Andrew, St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Annie Alice Penfold
Name: Annie Alice Penfold
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 11 May 1882
Father's Name: Thomas Penfold
Mother's Name: Eliza Penfold
Parish: St Andrew, St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Name: Ada Jane Penfold
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 29 Apr 1884
Father's Name: Thomas Penfold
Mother's Name: Eliza Penfold
Parish: St Andrew, St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

all at 12 Rathbone

Thanks Rose, that'll keep me quiet for a while..
Sue x

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1851 England Census
about Thomas Penfold
Name: Thomas Penfold
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Gender: Male
Where born: Yapton, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Yapton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Westhampnett
Sub-registration district: Manhood
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Penfold 22 widower age is very indistinct...but he is a journeyman shoemaker

Eliza Penfold 6
Mary Penfold 5
Thomas Penfold 3
Jane Austin 44

Do you think this may be the eldest daughter?

Births Jun 1868
MARSHALL Pauline Elizabeth Westminster 1a 359

???
Deaths Mar 1891
Penfold Pauline 22 Marylebone 1a 507

Rose thanks again, I have assumed that is him for present. Shoemakers strike again.

Ozi, I'll have a look once I have updated all the info above, thank you :-))

Sue

????????
This fits in with Thomas's baptism.

Marriages Dec 1873
BIGNELL Eliza Mary Westminster 1a 849 <<<<<<
Garrido Bernado Westminster 1a 849
Garrido Bernardo Westminster 1a 849
PENFOLD Thomas Westminster 1a 849 <<<<<<
Ramos Andrea Westminster 1a 849

Hmmmm, single in 1871.

1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Penfold
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Yapton, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Broadwater
Ecclesiastical parish: Broadwater
Town: Worthing
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Marine Place

Occupation: Cordwainer Journeyman

Registration district: East Preston
Sub-registration district: Worthing
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Sheppard 30 - Boot Closer Journeyman
Caroline Sheppard 28
William Sheppard 5
James Penfold 22 - boarder; Boot Closer Journeyman; Yapton Sussex
Thomas Penfold 23


Notice there is a Samuel Shepherd with them in 1891. He's a boarder, widower, Boot Closer.

So Pauline is not a Penfold but possibly a Bignell

Name: Pauline Bignell
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: St James Westminster
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 433


Fits with place of birth on 1881 census

Well done GB.

Ozi

Ozi

Just following your info

GB