Genealogy Chat

hiya, trying to trace my grandparents history.. nan was born MINNIE HICKNOTT in 1921 at camberwell, london.. daughter of annie hicknott.. nee voller.. Grandad was SAMUEL GLASS.. born 18/6/1918 in northern ireland, They met & were wed by 1946.. i know this because shortly afterwards my mummy appeared!!!! they had a long happy marriage but have now both saddly passed away.. When trying to trace my nans history we discovered a curious mystery!!!.. BOOM BOOM!!!.. she was born HICKNOTT.. daughter of VOLLER..then she wed my grandad, mr GLASS... .. (PAUSES FOR BREATH!!!)... 60 years of wedded bliss later, the apple of their eye.. (MUMMY) discovers a wedding certificate... TITLED.. NOT VOLLER!!... NOT HICKNOTT!!!.. BUT MINNIE OUSELEY!!!.. Was bigamy legal back then????!!!..,. or just trendy no one seems to know the OUSELEY connection!!!.. on a serious note though we are trying to trace the OUSELEY connection.. if there is one!!.. any help greatly appreciated.. Also any help about the GLASS side of the family in ireland would be good too.. Thankyou so much for your patience!!!

Name: Minnie E Hickmott
Spouse Surname: Ouseley
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1318

George J Ouseley Hickmott Oct-Nov-Dec 1941 Camberwell Surre

How interesting!

Jan

The Ouseley that Minnie Hickmott married on the ref found by Jan was George J Ouseley.

Given the timing, i.e. married in 1941 and subsequent marriage to Samuel Glass in 1946, it is possible that George Ouseley was a casualty of WW2. I'll have a bit of a search and post again.

Maybe 1st husband...?

Name: OUSELEY, GEORGE JAMES
Initials: G J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Royal Corps of Signals
Unit Text: Eritrea Sigs.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 13/02/1944
Service No: 2366585
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 2. G. 1.
Cemetery: ASMARA WAR CEMETERY

this is from the CWGC website:

Name: OUSELEY, GEORGE JAMES
Initials: G J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Royal Corps of Signals
Unit Text: Eritrea Sigs.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 13/02/1944
Service No: 2366585
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 2. G. 1.
Cemetery: ASMARA WAR CEMETERY

The record you have:

Name: Minnie E Ouseley
Spouse Surname: Glass
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 521

Record
Preview
Name: Samuel Glass
Spouse Surname: Ouseley
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 521

Samuel Glass Ouseley Oct-Nov-Dec 1946 Camberwell Surrey

It looks like 1st husband George is on someone's tree on GR.

Look on SEARCH TREES section.

Gwyn

hello brummiejan.. that record is correct.. any ideas??.. im very new to this so please bear with me!!.. and help with anything you think i might struggle with!!

i was thinking along them lines too!!!... but have only just come across the name ousley today.. so was a bit of an eye opener!!!.. info on mr ousley would be greatly appreciated.. thankyou for your help helen

Sally
It would seem that Minnie first married George J OUSELEY in 1941, but he was killed in the War in 1944.

In 1946 as widow OUSELEY, she married Samuel GLASS.


Gwyn

Probably the birth registration of George, ..the 1st husband

Births Jun 1921

Ouseley George J .....mother's maiden name,Gibbons St.Olave 1d 316

Gwyn

Thank you ever so much for your help Gwyn. Its all very interesting!!.. My grandad was a bit of an old rogue himself, and it makes me feel more human knowing that my grandparents both had interesting lives too!!! Do you have any tips on finding relatives of my grandad SAMUAL GLASS in Ireland??.. he was born in 1918 in belfast.. im a bit new to this and are struggling a bit!!

I'm sorry, ... I know almost nothing about researching in Ireland.

A copy of the marriage certificate ( which you have, I believe? ) will give the name and occupation of Samuel's father. This will help to find the correct registration.

Were any other GLASS family witnesses to the marriage?

You can either change the title of this thread, to ask for eg Birth in Ireland 1918 help....or start a new one asking for where to look.

Gwyn

no we dont have the birth certificate. info we do have is results of gr search. we no nothing about the glass family. and thought they would be the ones to keep us guessing not nan lol . thanks for the advice we will start a new thread soon . you guys are great

The mystery marriage certificate will give you some clues re. father's name etc.


Gwyn

These are possibilities for your Nan's mum.

Marriages Dec 1918
>>>Hickmott Arthur Walker Camberwell 1d 1742
Sims Edith A Clark Camberwell 1d 1742
SMITH Edith A Clerk Camberwell 1d 1742
>>>Walker Annie E Hickmott Camberwell 1d 1742

Marriages Dec 1904
Catten Charles Joseph Camberwell 1d 1411
Pickup Elizabeth Susan Camberwell 1d 1411
>>>Voller Annie Emma Camberwell 1d 1411
>>>Walker Harry Camberwell 1d 1411

from ancestry



UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945

Name: George Ouseley
Given Initials: G J
Rank: Signalman
Death Date: 13 Feb 1944
Number: 2366585
Birth Place: London SE
Residence: London SE
Branch at Enlistment: Royal Corps of Signals
Theatre of War: Eritrea
Regiment at Death: Royal Corps of Signals
Branch at Death: Royal Corps of Signals




sylvia

thank you for the details you have posted oz . but can you tell me what i do from here . and what they mean . sorry to be a pain but i am a internet novice xx

You told us that Minnie's mother was an Annie Voller. So I went looking for the marriage with no luck but came up with Annie Voller marrying a Harry Walker and an Annie Walker marrying an Arthur Hickmott. This means your great-grandmother was also married twice.

What you do now is up to you. As Annie is a direct ancestor I would be buying both her marriage certificates eventually. It's up to you.

Certificates can be bought at www.gro.gov.uk online or local registration districts. Do not pay more than £7 (the price goes up to £9.25 in April).

Ozi

thank you very much ozi .as i said earlier im very new at this . i can see now you have explained it that its obvios lol .