Genealogy Chat

Hi Annabella. The Newcastle Under Lyme Worhouse records can be found as follows -

County - Staffordshire
Civil Parish - Newcastle Under Lyme
Enumeration District - 11
Images 48 - 53.

No Levi Martin on them i'm afraid.

William martin ( ann`s first husband) must of died before 1851 so why would levi change his name to martin also in 1871 levi preston is at school and on levi martin`s marriage cert there`s an x ( his mark is written by it) so he couldnt read or write ( probably because he went to work so young.

The poor in madeley comes under the union of newcastle under lyme can anyone find the workhouse census for 1861 im having no luck!!!!!

Hi Annabella
Just a thought, have you tried looking for a birth of Martin Levi as both names are interchangeable as surname and christian name and mistakes do happen.
Chris

You may be right i cant find any records for levi preston after 1871.
Thanks for your help i`ll try this theory

I agree 10 would be quite unusual to be recorded as a worker, though my great-grandfather was down as a carriage lamp maker in 1871 aged 12.
Jan

It is also possible to explain away the name difference of the father on the marriage certificate, since James would be his stepfather's Christian name (if he is Levi Preston), and Levi might not have recalled that his father had been named William.

One point that does make me hesitant about the theory of Levi Preston/Levi Martin is that Levi Preston is only 10 in 1871 - and 4 months old in 1861. To my mind, that seems slightly young to be a farmworker in 1871, and the farmer recorded Levi Martin as older than that - what do others think?

Hi Annabella07

Just because someone is recorded twice on the census does not mean that they are not the same person ... if Levi Preston/Levi Martin are the same person, who usually lived with his mother and stepfather, and walked to work* most days (it is around the same distance that the Candleford children walked to school each day), but happened to stay over at work on the night of the census, he might well have been recorded twice. I understand that Charles Darwin was recorded twice on one census.

[*Edit: assuming that the farm is near Checkley between Bridgemer and Wrine Hill, and Madeley is a few miles south east of Checkley, close to Madeley Heath, now on the M6?]

In your case, it might well make sense for Levi to be known as Martin to most of the community (i.e. his stepfather's surname), but to be recorded as Preston by his own family.

(Not to say that this is the case here, but it remains possible...)

Hi netty My levi is working in nantwich in 1871 so he cant be levi Preston also fathers name on marriage cert is james martin. Ann preston`s first husband was william martin. There is a william Martin working with levi in 1871 i thought he might be related to Levi ( i found out that he is the son of william martin and Ann (preston). Where levi signed his name on marriage cert it has an X levi martin ( his mark) there is a ellen grocott as a witness.
Death cert gives no clues.
There was a poor house ( work house) near madeley in newcastle under lyme im having trouble finding any poor union records for 1861

Hi Annabella, sorry that you've had no luck in tracking down the birth of Levi Martin as yet.

I've been looking over the Census records again, i can not find Levi Preston after 1871 ?. My gut feeling is that Levi was born a Preston and changed his name to Martin at a later date.

If no other birth record can be found by anyone, i would be so tempted to order the Levi Preston birth certificate, if only to check the details and discount it.

Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
PRESTON Levi Newcastle L. 6b 45

Sorry i couldn't help further.

Please anyone have any tips for finding birth info if he did have his mothers maiden name or lived somewhere else!!!!

Any tips on finding his birth name i got a copy of death cert he diead 11th june 1952 age 92

Thanks everyone for helping me i dont know what more i can do, ive even contacted the church where he is buried but the warden cannot find him in the records at the church !!!!!!!!!

Sorry Annabella, searched every image, page by page, district 18 - 20, Madeley, Staffordshire 1861, no sign of a Levi Martin anywhere, no sign of a birth that fits either !.

Also checked images for Wybunbury, Cheshire 1861.

Hey,

My levi is working at checkly wood farm nantwich in 1871 census and levi preston is with his family so defo not him. Theres no info on a mother only james martin ( Labourer) on marriage cert , No info on siblings either but my grandad is sure he had brothers and sisters.

I Cant order a birth cert for him without an index number im so stuck

On marriage cert the witnesses are william addison sarah`s father and ellen grocott

1871 for ref:

Name: Levi Preston
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Onneley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Onneley
Ecclesiastical parish: Madeley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 92

James Preston 65 Ag Lab. Born Salop. (Shropshire).
Ann Preston 51 Wife born cheshire.
Maria Preston 12 Daugh.
Levi Preston 10 Son.
Margaret Martin 6 Grand-daughter.
Jane Martin 4 Grand-daughter.
Fanney Martin 1 grand-daughter.


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2834; Folio: 123; Page: 18; GSU roll: 836374.


Still can't see a birth for a Levi Martin c1860 Staffordshire. Only a birth for a Levi Preston -


Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
PRESTON Levi Newcastle L. 6b 45

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Thanks so much for helping!!!!

Fathers name james martin on marriage cert. He was married on dec 30th 1884 age 24 so he must be somewhere in 1861 census, ive searched using just levi birth year and place but nothing. In 1871 he`s working with william martin i linked him to preson family he is ann preson son from first marriage to william martin. I found Levi Preson in 1871 census.

Have you got his father's name from his marriage cert?
Jan

Possibly? Can't see him 1861 though.


1871 England Census
about Sevi Martin
Name: Sevi Martin
[Levi Martin]
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Madley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Checkley Cum Winchill
Ecclesiastical parish: Wybunbury
Town: Checkley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury

Annabella,

Do you have his parents on census? I can see him 1871/1911 the latter he is in Madeley with his own family.

Was he the first born? it may be possible that he was registered in his mothers name if the parents were not married at the time of birth, or was the mothers child by a different partner?

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