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Linda
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8 Jan 2010 22:49 |
I've just found one of my ancestors John Walter Arnold 1876 Bishopsgate married a Louisa Jane Rondeau 1882 Bethnal Green. By accident I noticed her mother is Elizabeth Mary Arnold and now suspect John and Louisa are cousins but I don't seem to be able to confirm this and the more I search the more confused I'm getting. Can anyone lend a hand please? Thank you. Linda
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8 Jan 2010 23:03 |
Just for info
Name: George Frederick Rondeau Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Spouse Name: Elizabeth Mary Arnold Spouse Age: 18 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 19 Aug 1878 Parish: Saint Thomas, Bethnal Green County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Thomas Rondeau Spouse Father Name: Samuel Charles Arnold
How much research have you done on this
Is this the right birth? Name: John Walter Arnold Record Type: Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1878 Father's Name: Charles Arnold Mother's Name: Amelia Frances Arnold Parish: St Botolph Bishopsgate Borough: City of London County: London
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8 Jan 2010 23:09 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: John Walter Arnold Record Type: Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1878 (date of birth - 3rd March 1876) Father's Name: Charles Arnold Mother's Name: Amelia Frances Arnold Parish: St Botolph Bishopsgate Borough: City of London County: London
Source Citation: Guildhall, St Botolph Bishopsgate, Register of baptisms, 1870 - 1898, P69/BOT4/A/01/Ms 4519/8
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Charles Samuel Arnold Record Type: Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1878 (date of birth - 6th March 1878) Father's Name: Charles Arnold Mother's Name: Amelia Frances Arnold Parish: St Botolph Bishopsgate Borough: City of London County: London
Source Citation: Guildhall, St Botolph Bishopsgate, Register of baptisms, 1870 - 1898, P69/BOT4/A/01/Ms 4519/8
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8 Jan 2010 23:09 |
Name: Charles Arnold Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Spouse Name: Amelia Francis Digman Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1871 Parish: Saint Stephen, Spitalfields County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: John Arnold Spouse Father Name: Christopher Digman
Not sure on this one Name: Samuel Charles Arnold Record Type: Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1832 Father's Name: John Arnold Mother's Name: Mary Ann Arnold Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Borough: Hackney County: London
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8 Jan 2010 23:11 |
1881 England Census Name: Charles Arnold Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Amelia F. Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex City, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Botolph Bishopsgate County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 3 Dunnings Place Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: French Polisher Registration district: London City Sub-registration district: 1C ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Arnold 33 Amelia F. Arnold 29 Amelia F. Arnold 9 Joseph Arnold 7 John Arnold 5 Charles Arnold 3
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 371; Folio: 38; Page: 1; GSU roll: 1341080.
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8 Jan 2010 23:15 |
1891 just to show age of Elizabeth Name: Elizabeth M Rondeau Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George F Gender: Female Where born: Hackney, London, England Civil parish: Poplar Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George F Rondeau 33 Elizabeth M Rondeau 31 Elizabeth C Rondeau 11 Louisa J Rondeau 9 George S Rondeau 6 Beatrice M Rondeau 1 Mary A Agate 69 William Giggles 28
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Linda
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8 Jan 2010 23:26 |
Hi Glitter, Both pieces of info. you have put on are the correct ones. Charles and Samuel Charles are brothers.
My confusion is if the daughter Louisa of Geo. Fred. Rondeau and Eliz. Mary actually married her cousin. Is this the same Elizabeth Mary Arnold or are they two different people.
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Linda
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9 Jan 2010 00:03 |
Sorry everyone, I think I've done a good job of confusing everyone can I start again please. Charles Thomas Arnold 1849 has a son John Walter Arnold 1876 who married Louisa Jane Rondeau. Charles T also has a sister named Elizabeth Mary Arnold 1844 who I couldn't find a marriage for. I then discovered Louisa's mothers name was also Elizabeth Mary Arnold who married George Frederick Rondeau and wondered if it was my missing marriage. Only thing is it would make Eliz. 12 years older than her husband. The more I look into this the more confused I get as to whether its the same person or two different people. Have I explained any better this time, I hope so any help gratefully received. Thanks. Linda
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Thelma
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9 Jan 2010 13:25 |
1891 England Census about Elizabeth M Rondeau Name: Elizabeth M Rondeau Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George F Gender: Female Where born: Hackney, London, England Civil parish: Poplar Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George F Rondeau 33 Elizabeth M Rondeau 31 Elizabeth C Rondeau 11 Louisa J Rondeau 9 George S Rondeau 6 Beatrice M Rondeau 1 Mary A Agate 69 William Giggles 28
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9 Jan 2010 13:28 |
Name: Elizabeth Mary Arnold Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Spouse Name: George Frederick Rondeau Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 19 Aug 1878 Parish: Saint Thomas, Bethnal Green County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Samuel Charles Arnold Spouse Father Name: Thomas Rondeau xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 1861 Elizabeth Arnold Samuel, Ann abt 1860 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex
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Linda
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9 Jan 2010 19:58 |
Thank you Sat Nav.
My position is: ARNOLD the family I am researching - John Walter Arnold 1876 married Louisa Jane Rondeau 1878 whose mothers maiden name was Elizabeth Mary ARNOLD 1860 but no relation to the John's father's sister also named Elizabeth Mary ARNOLD 1844.
I think I can safely say that the two Elizabeth Mary Arnold's I have in my tree are completely different people and at the moment think they are no relation to each other. What's the odds of that?
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