Genealogy Chat

Oh Boy !!

I hadn't heard he was a Gardener before

John who married Martha Aungier in Liverpool 1828 was down as a Joiner when they got married

Alfred's Father was entered as a Gardener in his first Marriage in 1853
And a Botanist in the second in 1857

It might be getting closer to John being my Great Great Grandfather

Manchester Cathedral 9th Jan 1831

William s of John, gardener, and Martha McElwain of Manchester

sorry I was looking at the wrong bit of my notes (I was also looking up another John & a Mary)

the IGI is correct - the actual parish registers say John McElwain to Martha Aungier and John was a joiner

John McElwain was the name of my Great Great Grandfather

My Great Grandfather was born, or so he says in the 1881 census in Liverpool

Liverpool is not far from Manchester where a John and Martha MacElwain baptised a William

I got the Liverpool Marriage from the IGI and her name was Martha,the Baptism at Manchester Cathedral also came from the IGI but there was a space between Mac and Elwain

The nearest I have been able to get is that my Great Grandfather's second daughter was named Martha which fits in with Scottish tradition where the second Daughter was usually named after the Grandmother

the second son was named after his father Alfred

First Son First Marriage was William same name as the Son of John in Manchester

Mac

had a look at that marriage in St Peter's Liverpool today

married by banns 14 Jan 1828

John McElwain (joiner) and Aungier - the forename looked more like Mary than Martha - will check again. The computers were down today so could not get to your thread to check what you had

Hi MadMeg

I understand now

everything is as you have said, Geogina was born in London City 1858 But I didnt know she was baptised in India, perhaps they didnt want to baptise her in London in case the first (and legal ?) wife found him

The "McDonalds" went on to have Alfred Henry and Martha, parents entered entered as Alfred and Ann McDonald, alias McElwain, a third child, Ann, parents entered as William and Ann McDonald "or" McElwain, I found them in records but there was another two sons born in India, Joseph and my Grandfather William, someone else found them (Victor)

The thing that is giving me "stress" is Pre-1853 as I have said earlier


Thank you for the Georgina info on her Baptism

Mac

I think a few of us have experienced senior moments on this thread. Hope that Georgina Elizabeth Elwain McDonald is the right person.

Are you alright with that Old Geezer?

Margaret

This was posted by Bruce, and as a result it prompted discussion about a 6-week old baby being whisked away to India and being baptised there.

"Oops - Georgina was in fact born in India too??

Georgina Elizabeth Elwain McDonald
Birth: 20 MAR 1858
Christening: 02 MAY 1859 Bombay, Maharashtra, India
>>> Father: William Alfred Elwain McDonald
Mother: Ann
Source Information:
Batch No.: C001549 "

I just made the observation that, according the this post, Georgina Elizabeth Elwain McDonald was born in March 1858 in England, and baptised in May 1859 in Bombay. So she was not a 6-week old baby, but aged about 13 months when she was baptised.

Does that cause a problem?

Margaret

I'm confused.com

Georgina Elizabeth McElwain was born 1858 in London City, April May June quarter Ref 1C 61
I didnt find her christening in 3rd Bombay Regiment records at the India Office, but, as he had the alias of Alfred McDonald she may well have been Christened Georgina Elizabeth McElwain McDonald after arrival in India, do you know the Town ??
I have the regimental history of the 109th Regiment that the 3rd Bombay Army became, so I would like to tie the Christening into the place in the book

Can you tell me who the 1868, 1869 you mention refers to ??

And who was baptised/christened 1 year and 6 weeks after birth

Quote "the whole thing would have gone a lot smoother if TOG had given the name"

I'm still confused .com....What name ??

I'm sorry, I am 73 so you have to make a few allowances for that, its My Alkaseltzer Disease, its getting worse

Mac

Oh good grief I put 1858 and 1859 and then I looked back at it and looked at the wrong thing and changed it to 1868 and 1869.

I understand me even if nobody else does and I understand you and you will just have to take my word for it, lol.

Yes the christening was 'a year and x weeks' later and not just 'x weeks later'. So it makes sense. The whole thing would have gone a lot more smoothly if TOG had just told us to start with the _name_ the birth was registered under!

Madmeg always assume stupid mistake and not attempt to be clever, lol.

Did I miss something? I meant Georgina Elizabeth Elwain McDonald was born Mar 1858 in England and christened April 1859 in India.

What are you saying Bruce? I've lost it.

oops.

I find as I try to figure out when someone who was 63 when they died in 1927 was born etc I am becoming increasingly dependent on the calculator that sits by my elbow.

1869
- 1868
= .......

lol

Only just got into this - but that christening was a year and 6 weeks after the birth.

Still hoping !!

n

I think more like an urgent need to escape the Law Bruce

Plop plop fizz fizz, don't know how I missed it since I've been searching with as little detail as possible and the spelling variant shouldn't have tripped me up!

Births Jun 1858
McElwine Georgina Elizabeth London City 1c 61

I've looked at every Mc/MacELWAIN/ELWAINE/ILWAIN/ILLWAINE not to mention McElvin etc etc and I think I know 'em all personally now.

Regimental tailor. Well well, my grandfather might have painted watercolours of the officers in the uniforms he created. Except my grandfather was in the Dragoon Guards and wasn't born til after 1890, lol. And my wicked aunt made off with all those sorts of things so I've never seen them anyway. But hm I understand she now has the permanent senior moment herself, so maybe she could be persuaded to part with them ... if she remembers where they are ...

Anyhow that was fast work between birth in England and christening in India I still have to say. There must have been an urgent shortage of uniforms!

Hi all , I was having a look on Ancestry for Mac , but with no success on 1841/51 despite trying every variant of names
( Mac's ancestors and mine were close to each other in Isleworth hence i have a 'vested interest'... and because Mac is a love of course :))

Georgina Elizabeth born London City 1858, April May June Quarter 1C61

It WAS William Alexander, I'm getting on a bit and sometimes I get a little confused, I think I may be in the early stages of that Alkaseltzer disease, you know, when you cant remember the right words and things

Looking at the date of Georgina's Christening, May 1859 now tells me that he must have arrived in India early 59, I have never been sure until now

He was a Corporal right from the beginning with the 3rd Bombay Army which became the 103rd Regt, this according to the Regt Historian was very unusual but it may have been an honorary rank as he was the Regimental Tailor
He was still with the 103rd in 1871 in the census living on York St (Marylebone area), I think he was still listed as an Army Tailor in 1881

In those days the time served in the Army was 21 years, but in the middle 1860's they could opt for 12 years regular service and 10 reserve

In the 1871 census as William McDonald it's stated that he was born in Edinburgh........1881 as Alfred McElwain Liverpool

I got the marriage of John & Martha at St Peters Liverpool from the IGI
also the Baptism of William at Manchester Cathedral but it was entered as Mac Elwain with a space between c & E

Regards

Mac

Oh dear, little bits of information all over, this is in Rambling Rose's thread

'Alfred did a runner after marrying again in 1857 but the last mention of his first wife Agnes Elizabeth (nee Frew) that I found was she was present at the death of their son, Alexander William in 1858'

Where is this death recorded please?? I do not see that any more than I see Georgina's birth!

Oh is it this one?

Deaths Dec 1858 (>99%)
McELWAIN William Strand 1b 342

not Alexander William but William Alexander?

Births Jun 1854 (99%)
McELWAIN William Alexander St Giles 1b 347