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I'm v confused here Jacqueline
there are 2 census listings for 1861 on this post
one has William bricklayer/bookkeeper b1827 living with parents John & Ellen sister Mary b1839 etc in Royton Rd all born in Royton
the other has William book keeper b 1827 living with Mary b1822 etc in Ashworth St - all born Hayton (Huyton? which is nr Liverpool)
this seems to be a mixture of the information you have given
There are just so many Butterworths in that area of Lancs ( I have one in my tree - a James & Mary - there were 2 married in the same yr in the same church same ages!!)
perhaps we need to go forward a generation. Could you please help us by giving the name etc of the ancestor in that generation which led you to James? If they were born in Oldham it is often relatively simple to go back generations as the mother's maiden name is always listed on Lancashire bmd site.
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just wanted to say thank you to you all for the help
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If this is James in 1881, age a bit out but eldest 2 children born USA it's possible that this is his 2nd marriage as there is a big difference in childrens ages.
You probably need to get the birth cert of Mary L to find Ann's maiden name.
Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
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BUTTERWORTH Mary Lees Rochdale 8e 65
1881 England Census
about James Butterworth
Name: James Butterworth
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann L.
Gender: Male
Where born: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wardleworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 36 Elliott St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Eyelet Maker Employing 5 Men 9 Boys
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Wardleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Butterworth 41
Ann L. Butterworth 30
Samuel Butterworth 14
William Butterworth 11
Mary L. Butterworth 1
1891 mistranscribed
1891 England Census
about James Butlerwatl
Name: James Butlerwatl
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Less
Gender: Male
Where born: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wardleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Stre
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Wardleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Butlerwatl 51
Ann Less Butlerwatl 40
Samuel Schofield Butlerwatl 24
William Mayell Butlerwatl 21
Mary Lees Butlerwatl 11
James Thomas Butlerwatl 9
Harold Edward Butlerwatl 2
Annie Butlerwatl 18
Possible marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%)
BUTTERWORTH James Oldham 8d 689
Mayall Ann Lees Oldham 8d 689
Christine
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Ive gone through every possible variation of the marriages and there was 39 we narrowed it down to 2 a Ann Lees and a Hannah howarth but still have problems with them
Ann is a lot younger than James and he turns up in 1891 with 5 children 2 born in america so cant figure out the conection !!!
as 3 the children have 2 surnames all different one is Samuel Schofield Butterworth william Mayall Butterworth Mary Lees Butterworth
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Thanks for that , sorry I had to go away as grandaughter has arrived will have a good look now
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For clearer info:-
1861 census transcription details for: Ashworth Street, Oldham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3010 Folio: 13 Page: 20
Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: 1 Oldham-Below-Town
Parish: Oldham Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters City/Municipal Borough: Oldham
Address: Ashworth Street, Oldham
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
BUTTERWORTH, William Head Unmarried M 34 1827 Book Keeper
Hayton
Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH, George Brother Unmarried M 31 1830 Cotton Weaver
Hayton
Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH, Mary Sister Unmarried F 39 1822 House Keeper
Hayton
Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH, Ann Ellen Niece F 3 1858 Scholar
Oldham
Lancashire
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William is still a manager in 1881
1881 England Census
about William Butterworth
Name: William Butterworth
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Royton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 91 Union St West
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Cotton Mill Manager
Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah A. Butterworth 45
Ann E. Butterworth 23
John W. Butterworth 22
Mary Butterworth 20
James S. Butterworth 18
Mary Butterworth 59
William Butterworth 54
Christine
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Sorry for the delay
the 1861 census
royton rd oldham Below Town
John Butterworth 1793
Elen Butterworth 1793
William 1827 Book keeper ( hes living at Ashworth St)
Hannah Butterworth daughter roller coverer
James Butterworth son
Manager cotton mill
Mary Butterworth daughter 1839
roller coverer
Martha Butterworth
daughter cotton reeler
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Im struggling with research on one of my Maternal ancestors
2 of my relatives have good jobs in 1861 one is a book keeper in a mill and one is a mill manger in Oldham
however when i try to search for them in the next census any one under their name are either weavers or minders in the mills
would this be usual I know there was the cotton famine in the early 60's but would you go from a manger to a weaver ?
would be gratful for your thoughts
Thankyou
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