Genealogy Chat

Adele,
On Ancestry it is MORDDS.
findmypast actually have it as MOULDS (but i searched Ancestry originally!)

I dont know about anywhere else, but you should be able to do a search using reference number:
RG12; Piece: 2542; Folio 44; Page 27

Gem

Thats brilliant!! :-)

Thanks so much for your help everyone. I was about ready to give up!!

Gem, is it def Mordds on the 1891 census? Struggling to find it!

Thanks again all

And if we assume that Henry T Short (from 1901 census) and Maria are siblings there is this 1881 census:

Name: Henry Thomas Short
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Northamptonshire, England >>>> Same location as 1901!
Civil parish: Leicester St Nicholas
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 58 Friars Causeway
Occupation: Scholar

James Hartwell 24
Sophia Hartwell 35
William James Short 15
Maria Short 14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henry T's sister. Born London!
Henry Thomas Short 9
Albert George Short 6
Frederick Short 3
Thomas Cecil Cooper 27
Charles Samuel Ridding 27
Class: RG11; Piece: 3179; Folio: 29; Page: 20


Also, i noticed that all 4 childrens births are registered under MouldS not Mould (Albert Edward 1889, Eveline May 1894, Horace 1896 and Walter Henry 1902.)

Gem

I think this is your family in 1891:

Albert Ed Mordds (1866) Head ~ Occupation Shoe Rivetter.
Maria Mordds (1867) Born London
Albert E Mordds (1889)
RG12; Piece: 2542; Folio 44; Page 27

I would guess that George as a first name on the 1901 was either an error, or he was trying out a new name!

Gem

Adele,
On the 1901 you posted there is also a Henry T Short (age 30) as a visitor in the house.

Taking that into account could this be Albert and Maria's marriage:
Marriages Sep 1888
Moulds Albert Leicester 7a 324
Short Maria Leicester 7a 324

The 1911 census image says they have been married 22 years and had 4 children of which 3 are still living ~ This would fit with Albert Edward being their first son and having died.

EDIT: On the 1901 George Moulds is a Shoe ?Puller? and on the 1911 Albert Edward is a Shoe Rivetter.
My thoughts would be that there are too many coincidences for George and Albert Edward not to be the same person.

Gem

No it does not make sense at the moment.

What exactly are you trying to prove from the following?

"The Horace Mould who shows on the census with the parents Albert and Eliza is def not my Great Grandfather. I know this for certain because it is my uncles (not blood uncle) grandfather and his great grandfather Albert Mould did not die until a lot later in life."

The certificate you mention is for the Horace in this family

Albert Edward Mould 1866
Maria Mould 1867
Horace Mould 1896
Evelyn May Mould 1895
Walter Henry Mould 1902


Why are you trying to relate to the other Horace?

Following on from my previous post I have been looking at the 1911 census (Thanks for telling me where to look for tips Jan) and I think the info Quinsgran provided is right.

Albert Edward Mould 1866
Maria Mould 1867
Horace Mould 1896
Evelyn May Mould 1895
Walter Henry Mould 1902

Problem is I cannot find them on the 1901 census. However there is a family of Moulds

George Moulds 1866
Maria Moulds 1867
Albert E Moulds 1889
Evelyn M Moulds 1895
Horace Moulds 1896

Surely that is too much of a coincidence??!

There is an Albert E Mould who died in 1911 at the age of 22. This is why I wondered if Horace put his brother as the father on his marriage cert because his father appears to be George based on this info.

I'm confused!!

Hi all. Thanks for your help. The information I have is that Horace Mould married Ada Hook (Hook is from first marriage nee Soden) in 1919 and at the time he was 23 and Ada was 25. His dad was Albert E Mould who was a licensed victualler and at the time he lived at the Black Horse Inn, 244 Main Street, Thurmaston, Leicester. His father shows as deceased.

The Horace Mould who shows on the census with the parents Albert and Eliza is def not my Great Grandfather. I know this for certain because it is my uncles (not blood uncle) grandfather and his great grandfather Albert Mould did not die until a lot later in life.

I don't have the marriage cert with me at the minute but the witnesses were Evelyn M Mould and somebody Smith. The marriage took place in Leicester. I believe Evelyn Mould married Wilfred Hartshorn in 1920 in the district of Barrow upon Soar. He also lived Main Street, Thurmaston, Leicester.

Hope this makes sense.

Thanks

Adele

I'm struggling to see why people think there are mistakes on certificates or census returns.

There are two completely separate families, both who happen to have a son called Horace born around 1896.What we need to establish is which of these is Adele's ancestors.

Surely the correct way to do this is to go backwards from a proven point e.g. a known birth, then the parents marriage etc.

One more thing! Do we have an occupation for Albert senior?
Jan

I think we should start again from the beginning!

Adele - you have the marriage certificate with father Albert E from 1919.

How old did Horace say he was at this time?

Who were the witnesses?

Where did the marrige take place?

Can you ask Adele to post on here so we can all see info please?
I am getting a bit confused! How has she distinguished between the two Horaces? The only evidence I can see is the father's name. Who are witnesses to the marriage?
Jan

Birdsinanest.

Adele is talking about sister Evelyn on the 1901 census as Evelyn M Moulds
Father George is born 1866 the same as Albert Edward Mould in 1911
Same mother Maria born 1867 London

I think either the enumerator made a mistake or George was his preferred name.

I know someone who is called Tom. It wasnt till his wedding day his wife found out he was called Hubert

Adele

Please can you tell me Horace's sister's name

So unless you have the wrong Horace Mould marriage cert Albert Edward born 1866 was his father

Adele, suggest you check out Jonesey's thread on searching 1911 census - loads of useful tips. It is on Tips Board. Suggest you bookmark it. I have found out loads without spending a penny! (So to speak).
Jan

If you cross-check other Moulds living with a Phyllis in Blaby, you get:

MOULD ALBERT M 1877 34
MOULD ALBERT M 1906 5
MOULD ELIZA F 1876 35
MOULD HORACE M 1896 15
MOULD LESLIE M 1903 8
MOULD RALPH M 1898 13
MOULD VIOLET F 1909 2

Would this fit your family? If so I think you have gone slightly astray, and the father is indeed Albert.

Jan

The others in 1911.
Albert Mould 1877
Eliza 1876
Horace 1896
Ralph 1898
Phyllis 1901
Leslie 1903
Albert 1906
Violet 1909

living Blaby


The other family.
1911.
Albert Edward Mould 1866
Maria Mould 1867
Evelyn May Mould 1895
Horace Mould 1896
Walter Henry Mould 1902

living Leicester

Heres the death of Horace brother.
Albert E Mould 1911 mar qt Leicester age 22 gro ref 7a 131

Just to support that. here they are in 1911:

MOULD HORACE M 1896 15 Blaby Leicestershire
MOULD HORACE M 1896 15 Leicester Leicestershire

However, by cross-checking, these are living in the same household:

MOULD ALBERT M 1877 34 Blaby Leicestershire
MOULD ELIZA F 1876 35 Blaby Leicestershire
MOULD ALBERT M 1906 5 Blaby Leicestershire
MOULD HORACE M 1896 15 Blaby Leicestershire

So, could the younger Albert be the brother you mention? Can you tell us his sister's name and year of birth?

Jan

Whilst it is tempting to try and convince oneself that there might be an error on a cert to make things fit, this can lead to all sorts of problems unless there is separate corroborative evidence to prove there was indeed an error in the first place.

From what we can see so far the marriage cert you have is that of Horace son of Albert and Eliza not that of Horace son of George and Maria.

Given that we know there were at least two Horace Mould(s) born around the same time in Leicestershire, what evidence do you have to confirm which one is yours?