Genealogy Chat

Hi there. I wonder if anyone can help me. I have been trying to find details of my great grandfather, Horace Mould, and have managed to obtain his marriage certificate. However, the person showing as his father on the marriage certificate is the person we thought was his brother and not old enough to be his dad. Has anyone ever found that a different relative has been named as father on a marriage certificate for any reason? Thanks

My grandfather 'invented' a father for his marriage certificate. He was a proud man and no doubt did not want anyone to know he was illegitimate.

No father on his birth certificate or that of his brother.

He used a mixture of his stepfather's first name (or his landlord, both were called George) and the occupation of his landlord (Groom).

Have you found Horace on a census with his family? I expect you have thought of that already, though :-)

Janet

I've found what may be him but under moulds. His sister's name is the same and it shows his brother as Albert E Mould (the name showing as father on marriage certificate). On the census it shows father as George Mould and I can see he died in 1918 a year before Horace got married. I did think it might be because George had died but Albert died in 1911. I'm waiting to get his sisters marriage cert to see who it says her father is but our records office is shut this week.

The sister's marriage certificate may shed some light on this.

It's a puzzle, though.

I wonder, if, in fact, you have the wrong family on the census.

When you get to see the sister's marriage cert, if she also says 'Albert' then you could have another search for the family.

Good luck!

Yeah hopefully will shed some light. Typical the records office being closed on my week off! Thanks for your help.

I'm assuming you have seen this and dismissed it? Can you give any dates and location at all? As pointed out, possible you have the wrong family.


1901 England Census

Name: Horace Mould
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Albert
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigston, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Kilby
Ecclesiastical parish: Kilby St Mary and Newton Harcourt St Luke and Wistow St Winston
Town: Kilby
County/Island: Leicestershire

Registration district: Blaby
Sub-registration district: Wigston

Albert Mould 24
Eliza Mould 26
Horace Mould 5
Ralph Mould 2
Phyllis Mould 3 months

Jan

Whilst it is tempting to try and convince oneself that there might be an error on a cert to make things fit, this can lead to all sorts of problems unless there is separate corroborative evidence to prove there was indeed an error in the first place.

From what we can see so far the marriage cert you have is that of Horace son of Albert and Eliza not that of Horace son of George and Maria.

Given that we know there were at least two Horace Mould(s) born around the same time in Leicestershire, what evidence do you have to confirm which one is yours?

Just to support that. here they are in 1911:

MOULD HORACE M 1896 15 Blaby Leicestershire
MOULD HORACE M 1896 15 Leicester Leicestershire

However, by cross-checking, these are living in the same household:

MOULD ALBERT M 1877 34 Blaby Leicestershire
MOULD ELIZA F 1876 35 Blaby Leicestershire
MOULD ALBERT M 1906 5 Blaby Leicestershire
MOULD HORACE M 1896 15 Blaby Leicestershire

So, could the younger Albert be the brother you mention? Can you tell us his sister's name and year of birth?

Jan

The others in 1911.
Albert Mould 1877
Eliza 1876
Horace 1896
Ralph 1898
Phyllis 1901
Leslie 1903
Albert 1906
Violet 1909

living Blaby


The other family.
1911.
Albert Edward Mould 1866
Maria Mould 1867
Evelyn May Mould 1895
Horace Mould 1896
Walter Henry Mould 1902

living Leicester

Heres the death of Horace brother.
Albert E Mould 1911 mar qt Leicester age 22 gro ref 7a 131

If you cross-check other Moulds living with a Phyllis in Blaby, you get:

MOULD ALBERT M 1877 34
MOULD ALBERT M 1906 5
MOULD ELIZA F 1876 35
MOULD HORACE M 1896 15
MOULD LESLIE M 1903 8
MOULD RALPH M 1898 13
MOULD VIOLET F 1909 2

Would this fit your family? If so I think you have gone slightly astray, and the father is indeed Albert.

Jan

Adele, suggest you check out Jonesey's thread on searching 1911 census - loads of useful tips. It is on Tips Board. Suggest you bookmark it. I have found out loads without spending a penny! (So to speak).
Jan

So unless you have the wrong Horace Mould marriage cert Albert Edward born 1866 was his father

Adele

Please can you tell me Horace's sister's name

Birdsinanest.

Adele is talking about sister Evelyn on the 1901 census as Evelyn M Moulds
Father George is born 1866 the same as Albert Edward Mould in 1911
Same mother Maria born 1867 London

I think either the enumerator made a mistake or George was his preferred name.

I know someone who is called Tom. It wasnt till his wedding day his wife found out he was called Hubert

Can you ask Adele to post on here so we can all see info please?
I am getting a bit confused! How has she distinguished between the two Horaces? The only evidence I can see is the father's name. Who are witnesses to the marriage?
Jan

I think we should start again from the beginning!

Adele - you have the marriage certificate with father Albert E from 1919.

How old did Horace say he was at this time?

Who were the witnesses?

Where did the marrige take place?

One more thing! Do we have an occupation for Albert senior?
Jan

I'm struggling to see why people think there are mistakes on certificates or census returns.

There are two completely separate families, both who happen to have a son called Horace born around 1896.What we need to establish is which of these is Adele's ancestors.

Surely the correct way to do this is to go backwards from a proven point e.g. a known birth, then the parents marriage etc.

Hi all. Thanks for your help. The information I have is that Horace Mould married Ada Hook (Hook is from first marriage nee Soden) in 1919 and at the time he was 23 and Ada was 25. His dad was Albert E Mould who was a licensed victualler and at the time he lived at the Black Horse Inn, 244 Main Street, Thurmaston, Leicester. His father shows as deceased.

The Horace Mould who shows on the census with the parents Albert and Eliza is def not my Great Grandfather. I know this for certain because it is my uncles (not blood uncle) grandfather and his great grandfather Albert Mould did not die until a lot later in life.

I don't have the marriage cert with me at the minute but the witnesses were Evelyn M Mould and somebody Smith. The marriage took place in Leicester. I believe Evelyn Mould married Wilfred Hartshorn in 1920 in the district of Barrow upon Soar. He also lived Main Street, Thurmaston, Leicester.

Hope this makes sense.

Thanks

Adele

Following on from my previous post I have been looking at the 1911 census (Thanks for telling me where to look for tips Jan) and I think the info Quinsgran provided is right.

Albert Edward Mould 1866
Maria Mould 1867
Horace Mould 1896
Evelyn May Mould 1895
Walter Henry Mould 1902

Problem is I cannot find them on the 1901 census. However there is a family of Moulds

George Moulds 1866
Maria Moulds 1867
Albert E Moulds 1889
Evelyn M Moulds 1895
Horace Moulds 1896

Surely that is too much of a coincidence??!

There is an Albert E Mould who died in 1911 at the age of 22. This is why I wondered if Horace put his brother as the father on his marriage cert because his father appears to be George based on this info.

I'm confused!!