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Karen
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9 Oct 2009 15:28 |
Thankyou all so much, sorry for delay been working long shifts, Jessie was my grandmother , she was Jessie on her birth certificate . these are so helpful , my great grandmother was Jane Davies and lived at Battlefield regards Karrie, I can go on a bit now what an addictive hobby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ozibird
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7 Oct 2009 00:46 |
Children summary from 1891, 1901 & 1911 censuses:
Anna Smith 1884 (I can't find any records other than the 1891 census) Rose E Smith 1885 (Rose Ellen, not on 1901 or 1911) Mary J Smith 1888 (Mary Jane) Jane Smith 1890 (Jessie in 1891?, Sissie in 1901?) David Smith 1892 Edwin Smith 1895 (see below) Jack Smith 1898 (John from 1901?) William Smith 1905 Dorris Smith 1907 Arthur Pugh Smith 1911
1911 SMITH EDWIN M 1895 16 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire he is probably with these people. EVANS MARTHA F 1861 50 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire PRICE HENRY M 1846 65 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire PRICE SARAH F 1860 51 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire PRICE SARAH LETITIA F 1886 25 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire DAVIES WILLIAM M 1888 23 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire
Have you actually viewed the 1911 census? Are the last 3 in the Smith family, children or grandchildren?
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Ozibird
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6 Oct 2009 22:34 |
Well, I don't know what to think. I'm worried I've gone off the track with this one.
1891 England Census Name: Edwin Smith Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Llansanffraid, Wales Civil parish: Montford Ecclesiastical parish: Montford County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Magpie Town
Occupation: Agricultural Labourer
Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: Montford ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edwin Smith 32 Jane Smith 28 - Llanfihangel, Montgomeryshire Anna Smith 7 Rose E Smith 6 Mary J Smith 3 Jessie Smith 12/12 John Evans 26 - brother; Llanfihangel, Montgomeryshire William Evans 24 - brother; Llanfihangel, Montgomeryshire
Long last - the connection. 1901 England Census about David Smith Name: Edwin Smith Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Llansanffraid, Denbighshire, Wales Civil parish: Fitz Ecclesiastical parish: Fitz County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Grafton
Occupation: Farm Waggoner
Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: Montford ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Smith 44 Jane Smith 37 Mary Smith 13 Sissie Smith 11 David Smith 9 Edwin Smith 6 John Smith 3
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Ozibird
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6 Oct 2009 22:13 |
1881 England Census Name: Edwin Smith Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Meifod, Montgomeryshire, Wales Civil parish: Shrewsbury St Chad County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Betton Farm House
Occupation: Farm Servant (Indoor) Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: St Chad ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Richard Jones 54 Elizabeth Jones 45 Richard L. Jones 18 John T. Jones 5 Elizabeth Jones 13 Margaret J. Jones 7 Evan Griffiths 28 Edwin Smith 24 George Jones 24 David Williams 16 Margaret Mountford 18 Jane Evans 18 - Is this your Jane?
Name: Jane Evans Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Servant - Dairy Maid Gender: Female Where born: Pentrebeld, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Marriages Dec 1883 EVANS Jane Llanfyllin 11b 389 SMITH Edwin Llanfyllin 11b 389
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Ozibird
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6 Oct 2009 22:01 |
1871 Wales Census Name: Edwin Smith Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Llansantffraid, Montgomeryshire, Wales Civil parish: Meifod Ecclesiastical parish: Penrhos County/Island: Montgomeryshire Country: Wales Street Address: Cwm
Occupation: Farm servant
Registration district: Llanfyllin Sub-registration district: Llansaintffraid ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 40 Household Members: Name Age David Bembow 40 Jane Bembow 37 David Bembow 9 James Bembow 8 Jane E Bembow 6 Edward Bembow 3 Thomas Bembow 1 Catherine Jones 24 Jane Jones 14 Martha Jones 18 Owen Owens 23 John Griffiths 17 Evan Evans 35 Edwin Smith 14
1861 Wales Census a Name: Edwin Smith Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Son Father's Name: David Mother's Name: Elmer Gender: Male Where born: Llansantfraid, Montgomeryshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Cefn Llyfnog and Meifod County/Island: Montgomeryshire Country: Wales Street Address: [looks like] Cevonllyfnog
Occupation:
Registration district: Llanfyllin Sub-registration district: Llansaintffraid ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age David Smith 35 - farm labourer Elmer Smith 38 Edwin Smith 4 Maurice Smith 3 Evan Smith 10 Mo
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Ozibird
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6 Oct 2009 21:40 |
Is this the family you're meaning? They were all in the same household as Dorris.
1911: SMITH EDWIN M 1857 54 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire SMITH JANE F 1863 48 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire SMITH JANE F 1890 21 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire SMITH DAVID M 1892 19 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire SMITH JACK M 1898 13 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire SMITH WILLIAM M 1905 6 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire SMITH DORRIS F 1907 4 Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire SMITH ARTHUR PUGH M 1911 1 MONTH Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire
Well I can't find young Arthur registered in Llanfyllin, so they must've come from somewhere else. In fact I can't find an Arthur Pugh Smith registered anywhere.
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**Ann**
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6 Oct 2009 18:08 |
Karrie,
What birth years do you have for the Smith children?
Annx
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RutlandBelle
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6 Oct 2009 16:55 |
Karen as Potty said you really need a birth cert which will give you the mother's maiden name
this site is excellent for info about certificates:
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm
Have fun, you will become addicted like the rest of us! by the way only buy your certs from GRO or direct from local office. Never pay more than £7. You can buy on line from GRO. There are a lot of people out there triyng to cash in.
Good Luck Jennifer
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Potty
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6 Oct 2009 16:16 |
Have you got birth certs for any of the children? This would give you their Jane's maiden name. With a name like Smith their are likely to be many possible marriage.
If you know Jane's maiden name, you can search on freebmd using both surnames.
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Karen
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6 Oct 2009 15:40 |
William was born in 1857 in Llansantffraid Montgomery they lived in Llanfyllin in 1911 Haven't found marraige would they be registered inn the two seperate names at that time and I would have to link them sorry fairly new to family history but love it
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PollyPoppet
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6 Oct 2009 15:35 |
hi do you have places and dates of birth for them
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Karen
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6 Oct 2009 15:34 |
Hi, I was delighted to find my great grandparents whereabouts on the 1911 and 1901 census's but can not find them before this can anyone help me please William Smith head Jane Smith wife Edwin son dorris daughter jane daugh David would love to be able to go back further cheers Karrie
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