Genealogy Chat

Hi, thanks for the offer Lancashireann, I find this all amazing, especially when you read reports, census etc, I find it really strange to try to relate what was happening with my family and what was happening around the world..... for example my husbands grandfather was born in 1881 and that was the time of the Gunfight at OK Corral at tombstone Arizona!! (we only know the date of that cos my hubby is a bit of a western fan!!) A far cry from a back to back house in Wigan.
But I also find it rather sad as the mortality rate for children was so high
and some of the children were working in pits and mills from 10/12 years old, and when I look at two of our grandsons who are that age it makes you think how things have changed. So I aim to keep looking and finding out as much I can about our history. thanks once again. M

Hi Welly bobs

thanks for the update. Glad to see you have found something. If you need any more lookups let me know.

How refreshing to hear that someone wants to understand more of the family and their lives and not just collect names. It can be fascinating.

As an example I looked at a newspaper report of an inquest (in Lancs) and in the next column it was reporting on the progress of the American Civil War! Is there any time in history when there was not a war being reported on????

Hi Cynthia,
thank you so much, I wonder why FMP did not pick it up on the address search, never mind, I knew the community would come up trumps, I will solve the riddle of the callons yet !!!!!
Many thanks. M.

HI Wellybobs. Sims Lane End and School Lane are linked by Garswood Road and are not very far apart.

The nearest main road is the B5207 (Billinge Road) and Sims Lane End is at the junction of Billinge Road and Garswood Road.

School Lane is further down just off Garswood Road.

Hope this helps. Cx

Hello all,
Just to update you a little, I have finally found a death certificate for Margaret Callon( Its about the only thing I have found for her so far) and I now Know that she was formerly a handloom cotton drawer. The informant is her son Joseph Callon of sims lane end, which ties in with his home address on the 1861 census. But (there is always one it seems!) His mother's place of death was School Lane Ashton in Makerfield, does anyone know where that would be in relation to sims lane end ?...... I have tried address search on FMP but no results.... it might not seem important, but I want to try to understand the family as much as I can, I don't really want to just collect names on a tree, if you know what I mean. I would be most grateful for any help you can give. Many thanks. M.

Hi, thanks to you both,
I will certainly try the the history shop, I guess the birth date could be wrong for Margaret..... or out by a couple of years.... thanks again for trying...... onwards eh or it stays a brick wall...... cheers. M.

Wellibobs...Have found ref to an "RC Chapel Ince Hall. Billinge" there were some Calons/Callans/ 1792/1794...but cannot find a Margaret....

we can eliminate the RC church in Ince in Makerfield as it was not founded until 1877

Hi, Ince is a district in Wigan and is about 5 miles from Birchley - if that helps :))

What about the Wigan History shop site - they have some archives and may be worth a call.

http://www.wlct.org/culture/heritage/historyshop.htm

Cx

Hi thank you for that Lancashireann, It wold be great if you could look those up for me when it suits you really in respect of time frame. Going on holiday 8th June for 2 weeks and then will be back to pick up again.
The Ince on the census I believe to be in Makerfield.
I did not know about the "inch" in Co Kerry so thank you Eringobrach1916 I am really grateful for your help. Many thanks M

have you found Margaret in 1841? that census may help to determine whether she was 'born in county' or Ireland (I)

Wellybobs...

Your father-in-law may be right...There is an Inch in the Co Kerry..It may be that the place name got mistranscribed..also the age she had her children was not unusual...
I will have a look around the Co Kerry and see if anything pops up...

not too strange really - they could have been baptised in a nearby church - Bryn & Orrell RC chapels are both within a couple of miles. I would guess that as with today the bride's church was usually the one used and if Mary was the one whose baptism I did find.........

the records for Bryn are available up to 1822 (baptisms only) Orrell is available for all the years you need.

Can try those next time if you like (probably in a couple of weeks) and look for baptism of Margaret Bradbury at Birchley.

You also mention Ince. Would that be Ince Blundell or Ince in Makerfield - not too familiar with that area

There were several Crank children (no James / Joseph) in the register so it was a name popular in the area.

Hi Lancashireann
I found the marriage of James to Mary Marsh and from that marriage cert saw that his father was not named.
As to Joseph, he is named as Joseph Calland on his marriage to Margaret Bradbury and that is where on the marriage cert his father is named as James Crank, shoemaker.,
I find it really strange that there is no record of baptism but both were married in the RC chapel. My father-in-law always said they originated from Ireland, is it possible that margaret Callon came over from Ireland with the two boys even tho it says on the census that she was born in Ince
also she was 30 when she had Joseph and 35 when she had James, which seems unusual for that time.... Oh dear its such a puzzle. Many thanks for taking the time to help , I really appreciate it. M.

I can't find any baptisms of a Callon at Birchley.

If Your James married Mary Marsh, I did find a baptism for a Mary Marsh b & c 13-10-1824 d of William Marsh & Joanna(?) nee Appleton

can't find Joseph's marriage in 1843 on freebmd

Thank you both,
I would much appreciate it if when you are visiting LRO. if indeed that is possible, that you look for the baptism of Joseph and James Callon, We live in East Yorkshire so a trip to lancashire is only feasable if you know the district you are looking for, ince, ashton in makerfield, hindley etc are just names on a map, and change frequently on different documents!!. Although I have now been doing this research for about a year, I am still quite new compared to most of you so any help is much appreciated. many thanks. M.

as Eringobragh1916 says, St Mary's Rc & Billinge Chapel are one & the same. The church in LRO catalogue is Birchley, Billinge, St Mary.

On lan-opc under Billinge there is a copy of a hand drawn map showing St Mary's on Birchley Road surrounded by Birchley Colliery, Birchley School & Birchley Wood

Unfortunately no marriage records exist before 1856 tho baptisms are available from 1792

Thanks Lancashireann
I am so pleased to have your reply, not sure after all this time if you would....
Forgot to say that on the marriage cert Joseph Callon is called Joseph Calland with witness James Calland, so I suppose it is not impossible that may be the name on his baptism record.

Once again thank you so much for your help. M.

will see what I can find next time I go to Lancs RO - not sure when

Hello Lancashireann,
I am so sorry to have missed your reply, we finally sold our house that week and what with moving, Christmas, holidays and setting up the new home I have only just got back to GR.
The baptisms I am looking for are:
Joseph Callon born c 1821 Father on Marriage cert James Crank!
James Callon born c1826 Father - on marriage cert Not given
both married at Birchley Catholic Chapel
Mother :Margaret Callon c 1791 for whom I have found nothing!
This query is loosley linked to a previous post: "Joseph Callon still a brick Wall" Any help you can give would be much appreciated as I seem to have come to a dead end with this direrct line of the family. thanks. M