Genealogy Chat

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Births Mar 1903
HARRISON Winifred Alice Islington 1b 385

Havn't checked 1911 yet, got to get my head around who to look for so many Harrisons.

But, if they were still in White Lion St, London...may have a chance...will check tomorrow when i get home.

I am off to bed....sadly have to go to work in the morning :0( But I will check back tomorrow evening just in case someone has a Eureka moment.

Otherwise I think I am going to have to resign myself that so many porkies have been told, no one will ever know the truth!

Many thanks all, it is very much appreciated.

Night, Night.

Where was she born? Have you found her parents on the censuses? What about 1911?

Ozi

Hi Ozibird,

Harrison is on her birth & marriage cert.

Hello Meg,
You have the story right, lol.

Winifred def born 1903, I have the cert' 19/02/1903 White Lion St.

Jean in Leeds has wrong mother & father, so no connection. Def the 1934 Jean all the right info on cert' sorry, just remembered I have Jean's marriage cert' which would suggest born in 1935. Don't know why mum would say six years younger...I checked with my brother and he was told the same.

If you want an older mystery I have an old thread on here concerning Winnies mother Julia, lol....not finding a marriage to John Henry, lol....honestly this side of the family is pants at telling the truth (can't go into it as relatively recent i.e. my mum's era), so many mysterys.....think is it has made this side of the family so hard to trace....I can't even find a lot of cousins, because what I had been told was obviously wrong...but WHY!!!! would they tell so many fibs.

I'd appreciate any help/info that anyone can give regarding Harrisons/Batemans/Fowlers.
Cheers.

Is there a possibility that she had a stepfather Harrison, & she found out later in life she was actually a Bateman?


Ozi.

HI TJ, it just seems to be you and Jonesy on the trail so far, and a good job you have done so far, in getting the story together. Thought I would chip in if you don't mind, but I find my head spinning.

Can I recap and get confirmation?

William George Fowler married Winifred E Harrison 1920 Islington. Her father on the marriage certificate was John Henry Harrison, deceased and mother Julia Bassett or Barret.. Winifred is supposedly born 1903 but gave her age as 19 on marriage in 1920. Bill and Winne had 5 children with mother's maiden name Harrison and a sixth one with mother's maiden name Bateman. Winifred died in 1972 and her maiden name was reported as Bateman.

The sixth child of Bill and Winnie was Jean, but she is not the child born in 1940 in Leeds, as you have the certificate for her. Jean is born 1935. Very odd that your mum should say Jean was six years younger than her if she was in fact only 1 year younger, the Jean born in 1935.

I wonder if there were two Jeans, one born 1935 who died at birth and another 5 years later. But no, that doesn't seem to fit.

So where does Bateman come in? Why suddenly Bateman after 5 children with mmn Harrison? It ain't right and there seems no reason for it at the moment. What was wrong with the Jean born 1940 in Leeds?

Have I got the gist of this right?

I hate and love mysteries. The problem with this one is it is relatively recent and the online records aren't there.

But lets not give up yet!

Love

Margaret

PS I'm surprised that a few sleuths have not taken this up for you.

Yes, very odd...but I have found this side of my family very odd indeed, a lot of skeletons in their cupboards, lol.

The last cert that i ordered for Jean is def her born 20, Affleck St (same as my mum) 27/07/1935 (so mum told a fib) Father William George Fowler, Mother Winifred Elizabeth Fowler formerly Bateman......informant 'Winifred Fowler Sister present at birth 20 Affleck St' exactly what it says on cert.

I have tried for months to think of why/ how/what, but it has truly stumped me!!

Hi Jonesey,
Yes, all that info is right. My mum is Eileen 1934 and she told me (when she was alive) that Jean was six years younger, so the only Jean I found was the one in Leeds. So I ordered the cert, but it wasn't the right Jean. I ordered the cert' for Jean 1935 MM Bateman and it is correct, registered same area and same home address as my mum, but has MM name Bateman.
Remember mum telling me that she, Alice & Jean were evacuated, but their mum stayed in London.
Not sure what is going on here.

I have death cert registered in Islington,Whittington Hosp, islington 26/05/1971, sorry not 1972.

Hello,
The information I have so far:
Winifred E Harrison born 19 Feb 1903 to John Henry & Julia (Bassett or Barrett I'm not sure).
Married William George Fowler 1920 Islington, Middlesex, six children, five with MM name Harrison, last one MM name Bateman. this child was born just a year after a sibling with Harrison. All have the same father & mother.
Winifred & William were married and together up to William's death in 1969, Winifred died in 1972 and my aunt registered her death with the maiden name of Bateman??
What is going on here? I am trying to think outside the box, but I could do with some help, please?