Genealogy Chat

There is a birth of Winifred Hilda Bateman, Sep 1902, West Ham. The 1911 census doesn't give a middle name, so this could be her.

Margaret

You're welcome T.J. Fingers crossed that you find information soon to help you to unravel this mystery. Please come back & let us know if you do.

Thanks Jonesey, I have membership to Ancestry, but not WW...I will take you up on your kind offer and PM you, much appreciated.

Meg, congratulations on your daughter's wedding, enjoy the day!

Netty, Many thanks...it may be worth looking into this...I haven't got anything else to go on, so I will give it a look. Julia (Winnie's mother) has her MM name as Bassett on birth cert', so may be a error, or another porkie!! lol. I appreciate you spending your credits, everyone has been so very generous xx

I too have been looking in on your thread T.J., What a mystery it all is. I had a few spare credits left on the 1911 census, so out of curiosity i thought i'd take a look at who was living at " 20 Affleck St ". Doesn't help with the Bateman mystery, but there is a "Barrett " family living there. Worth keeping as it might be a small part of the puzzle.

3 families are listed living at number 20.

1) Mr Henry Hines & family.

2) Mr Frederick charles Needs & family

The third family are -
Mrs Mary Barrett. Age 40. b. saxted, suffolk.

Occupation - Charing.

Married 8 years. (no husband on image)

Children born alive - 3

Children still living - 3

Number of rooms occupied - 2.

Children
Winifred Barrett. Age 6. b. London St Marylebone.
Nellie Barratt. Age 5. b. London St Marylebone.
Margaret Barrett. Age 3. b. london St Marylebone.

I am not often totally lost, but there is always a first time. And I think this is it.

I will come back in a week, cos it is my daughter's wedding on Saturday, so I am a bit preoccupied, and I hope someone has found something great by then.

Margaret

Thanks Jonesey.....How did you know who the witnesses were, is this information available to look at on line?

I think my only hope is going to be to find someone with a connection to this side of the family....there must be brothers or sisters if not on Winnie's side, perhaps with her husband.

I can't believe where the time goes, lol...work again tomorrow.

Can I just say to you all that I am truly grateful for all the time effort that you have put in...a big thank you, u are all stars!!!

Nighty night, good people xx

The birth cert' says Winifred Eliza (marriage cert' Winifred Elizabeth) Father John Henry Harrison, Mother Julia Harrison formerly Bassett, Father was a window cleaner, informant J. Harrison mother 4, White Lion Street.....Julia wouldn't be able to register the birth in Harrison if they were not married, would she?

It just says Middlesex

Where were James & Julia born?

Hi Choccy,

Just had a look at the 1911 census it says that Julia and James have been married for 9 years and Winnie is their only child.

Good evening Jonesey,

But, wouldn't her birth cert' say Bateman and not Harrison?

Most importantly it should tell you how long they were married. That will be interesting.

Ozi.

Hi choccy,

Silly me!!!! of course it is for female, blonde moment, lol.

It is going to be worth a look at, not sure what it will tell me heyho!!

Many thanks :0)

Hi Pauline,

I know that errors can be made, but this seems not to be the case, as one of Winifred's children has MMN as Bateman on her cert, when the other's have Harrison (Winifred's birth name). The Q is where did Bateman come from and why? All so intriguing and very frustrating as I can't go back get further :0(

On the 1911 census, the 'F' stands for female.

Not really sure if there is a connection, but came across a mother called Julia and a daughter Winnie .......

Hi Choccy,

That is promising!!!

Winnie was born in White Lion St, which is Holborn/Islington.

It does say Winifred F, but could they have made a mistake?

Do you think this would be worth paying to see, or don't I have enough information to know whether this would be them?

Hello,
I couldn't wait to get home from work today....and everything that could go wrong, went wrong!! ha ha.
I will try to answer all the Q's raised.
Firstly Ozibird...Not Winifred Alice Harrison, I have the birth cert & marriage cert for Winnie and a couple of her child' birth certs.

Jonesey..Ahhh!! so Winnie (younger) was the informant, wondered what that mean't. Yes, it has crossed my mind that Winnie (younger) was the one who gave birth. She isn't the daughter who registered the death, that was Alice.
I haven't found any Bateman's, but I can't get back any further than John Henry and not sure where is from or age, etc.
No, I couldn't find a marriage for John & Julia, I asked for help with that one on here last year and we came to the conclusion that they may have never married.
The more I write this down the more disheartened I get...I have tried to find some of my cousins thinking they may know..I found one of Alice's daughters, but she knows nothing and said the family is just riddled with secrets.

1911 census

Without viewing the original, not sure about the household, but


HOUSEHOLD BATEMAN JAMES M 1881 30 Holborn London
HOUSEHOLD BATEMAN JULIA F 1885 26 Holborn London
HOUSEHOLD BATEMAN WINNIE F 1903 8 Holborn London
HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON FRED M 1888 23 Holborn London

Can't add anything much to this thread except to say I have a Bateman who appears to have registered her second child with a completely different mmn. Must be something to do with the name!
I'm currently waiting for the BC.

Will watch this thread and try to think of any suggestions.