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Yes, that was the only one that I found that had any connection. Like yourselves I searched for Margaret in the 1991 and found nothing, when I received the marriage certificate with a John Jones as a witness I new it is not from Isaac's side of the family so started looking for any connections with Jenkins and Jones under 1 roof.
Isaac's side of the family was very religious, that's why none were at their wedding. Isaac married the servant from the Evans's household, because they married in a registrar office, Isaac's mother was recalled calling it a dog licence.
Sorry to go on a bit, bit I think I have logic somewhere.

Hi Ricochet.
Had to pop out to see neighbour. Margaret was 18 when she got married on 3/04/1899, they got married in Pontypridd registrar Office.

Is this the 1891 census to which you refer?

Name: Margaret Jenkins
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Caron Uwch Clawdd
Ecclesiastical parish: Strata Florida
Town: Pontrhydfendigaid
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales



Registration district: Tregaron
Sub-registration district: Tregaron
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 59
Sarah Jones 63
Sarah Jenkins 13
Margaret Jenkins 11


All except Margaret b. Cardiganshire. Margaret's birthplace is NOT KNOWN

1901

Name: Margaret A Evans
Age in 1901: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Isaac D
Gender: Female
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Pontypridd
Ecclesiastical parish: Eglwysilan
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Eglwysilan
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac D Evans 25
Margaret A Evans 20
Jennet Davis 36 Visitor..........widow, b. Hirwaun
Esan D Davis 4 Visitor
Esan D Evan 3 months SON

Catherine

Will you please answer the question about Margaret's age on her marriage cert?

Hi Catherine,

this census could be interesting??

1881 Wales Census
about Margaret A. Jenkins
Name: Margaret A. Jenkins
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Gender: Female
Where born: Dinas, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Gelligaer
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 4 Queen St
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Lewis 45
Mary A. J. Lewis 45
Rees Lewis 18
Margaret A. Jenkins 3



The civil parish is were Gwen comes from.

Dee x

Hi Kathleen (if your still there)
Going back to the original enquiry, I have looked through my rejected certifcate applications and the certificates from the June qtr Merthyr T 11a 495 and 11a 476 I only put Margaret Jenkins on the form. Would you still suggest trying these references again?

Going back to the marriage certificate of Margaret and Isaac, the other witness to their marriage was a John Jones. In the 1991 census I think Margaret was living at 11 Lesburne Rd, Tregaron with Grand parents John and Sarah Jones. There is also a Sarah Jenkins aged 13. I am not 100% sure this is the same Margaret, do you think this is a strong possibility? With Richard being a collier, there is a strong possibility he had an accident in the mines. I haven't looked into it yet but I will shortly.

Hi,

The1891 census I posted with the surname Teullius, was your Jenkins family. Unfortunately the name was mistranscribed on Ancestry.

Richard on the 1891 census is a Collier.

However I can't see the family in 1881, well apart from Gwen who's still at home with mum.......... so it's looking like Gwen was the stepmother.

I think most of the researchers on GR use Ancestry......... it's cheaper than searching on here.


Dee x

Hi Ricochet
The occupation on the Marriage certificate is a collier

Hi Denise (if your still there)
Looking several times at the info you found earlier and I don't recognise the surname as Teullius. This is a new one on me, or does it mean something else? I am still a bit green on a lot, obviously. I thought the household was Jenkins.
I'll say again thank you to all that is helping.

Hi Kath
I tried finding it on ancestry and had no luck. Look on this site and you will find it easily.

What was the stated occupation of Richard on the marriage cert?

So GWEN is still living with her mother in 1881.......... unmarried, no children on the census.

So this is Richard Snr in 1871............ we need to find the 1881 census,


1871 Wales Census
about Richard Jenkins
Name: Richard Jenkins
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfihangel-Nant-Bran, Breconshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanfihangel Nant Bran
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Street address:

Occupation: farm servant

Condition as to marriage: unmarried

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Brecknock
Sub-registration district: Merthyr
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Howell James 45
Jane James 32
Thomas James 6
Jane James 3
Richard Jenkins 22

There is no way of knowing from census info whether Gwen was the mother of the children named.

With that thought in mind............

Marriages Mar 1888 (96%)
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ELLIOTT Arthur Charles Merthyr T. 11a 647
JENKINS Richard Merthyr Tydfil 11a 647
JONES Selina Merthyr Tydfil 11a 647
Llewellyn Gwenllian Merthyr Tydfil 11a 647


And this (1881) matches birth details as per 1891

Name: Gwen Llewellyn
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Gelligaer
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 5 Brook Row


Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Maria Llewellyn 60
Gwen Llewellyn 27
Sarah J. Llewellyn 16
John Robinson 17

Hi,

The only Richard Jenkins to Gwen marriage I can see at Merthyr from 1870 - 1891

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1888 (96%)
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ELLIOTT Arthur Charles Merthyr T. 11a 647
JENKINS Richard Merthyr Tydfil 11a 647
JONES Selina Merthyr Tydfil 11a 647
Llewellyn Gwenllian Merthyr Tydfil 11a 647



Dee x

Ahhhh - so that's why I couldn't find them.

Kath. x

Well-spotted Dee......

It would have saved a lot of angst if the OP had told us about the mistranscription!!!!

Aged 12 in 1891 means born no later than 1879.....more probably late 1878

I think this them;

1891 Wales Census
about Margaret D Teullius
Name: Margaret D Teullius
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Gwen
Gender: Female
Where born: Merthyr-Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentrebach
Town: Forest
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 32 Penn Street
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Teullius 39
Gwen Teullius 37
Richard Teullius 17
Margaret D Teullius 12
Lizzie M Teullius 9
John Owens 37