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Has anyone come across this on a headstone?

The inscription reads as follows:
IN EVER LOVING MEMORY OF
FRANCES ADELAIDE
TINE
THE DEARLY LOVED WIFE OF
........................................... etc., etc.

It appears exactly like that, with the symbols on either side of the TINE word.

I'm very puzzled.

Apologies, but I didn't realise that the symbols would reproduce.

If you use the upper case for the comma you get a left pointing arrow, then the word TINE, then upper case for the full stop to get a right pointing arrow.

Very mysterious.

Headstone dated 1914.

Hi Nicola

Because of the positioning of the word Tine, I am inclined to think it was her nickname. I bet most people didn't even know her proper name, and always referred to her as Tine.

Dianne xx

We had considered that it might be a nickname but she was a VERY grand old lady from the Raj period married to a Colonel in the Madras Regiment.

Somehow don't think that they would have placed her nickname if she had one on the large family memorial!!

Any more ideas, please?

Maybe it's her maiden surname - you don't say where the memorial is, but certainly in Scotland it was normal for married women to be buried under their MSs.

The memorial is in the old cemetery in Hove.

She was born in Ireland, then married to a chap who had a good career with the Indian Army (Colonel Madras Regiment).

The nickname theory just doesn't sound quite right for what we know to be a grand old lady!

Her maiden name was Fitzgerald.

Any more ideas anyone, please?

Id also have assumed it was the name she used every day. Ive seen similar headstones. Names like that are very common in my family too - my own 82 year old aunt - Ethel - is known only as Dep to everyone - and she is an old colonialist.

Lots of grand lady's used nicknames.(even the queen is known as Lillibet) - Princess Di also had the nickname (Duch). Its probably more common than you think - who is Kanga - one of Charles old girlfriends isnt it. There are quite a bunch of nick named aristos when you think about it. But Id have thought if you know the family that well, you would have some inkling that she had an every day name that was used. Do you have any old correspondence?
Whats her surname?

The word TINE is written in such an odd way and this is what is puzzling us so much.

Unfortunately, this site won't let me reproduce it for you but if you use the upper case comma key to get a left pointing arrow and then the upper case full stop key to get a right pointing arrow and capitalise the word TINE between them it's going to be pretty accurate.

Her part of the memorial reads:-
IN LOVING MEMORY OF
FRANCES ADELAIDE
TINE
THE DEARLY LOVED WIFE OF etc., etc.

When we spoke to the cemetery manager and his staff, they thought that it was likely to be a reference to her as a person, i.e., religion??

The arrow symbols are a bit of a head banger, too.

Any more theories, anyone?

Dea Nicola

I have looked up TINE in my old latin dictionary but I cannot seem to
find anything.

Could it be that TINE means mine or my?

I would suggest you go to the reference section of your local library and ask for books on these inscriptions.

Or telephone your local archive and history service.
They deal with many different matters and are used to all the terms.

Best wishes..
x

Just a thought but would the inscriptipn not give her surname aswell as her Forenames just wondered because there is a Frances Tine on a tree so it could be a another part of her name in brackets curved brackets would have been a lot harder for a stone mason to carve out of the stone that straight pointed ones

Jackie

Ive just read your description of the arrows and yes, that would be brackets. But you have already said that isnt her surname havent you. It can only mean the name she was known as.

The female name "Tine" appears to be scandanavian/dutch/german (very common actually if you google for it).

Was either her parents or grandparents scandanavian or dutch?

Apparently tine means "fire" in Celtic.




Meaning: Its source is Christina, an English name meaning "Christ's follower."

Languages: This girl's name is used in Dutch.

Nickname For: Christina

Narrative: Other names for which Tina serves as a nickname include Bettina, Martina and Augustina. It began to appear as an independent name at the beginning of the 20th century, reaching its peak in the 1960s.

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Grateful thanks to everyone, again.

Will make a trip to my library and see if I can find anything. I'm also going to contact a few old-fashioned memorial masons and pick their brains.

If I come up with anything that will be of use to this site, I will post it separately.

just wondering if she is buried with her parents or mother and that her mothers maiden name was Tine ?.
There are a few Tines born in Ireland and went to America and England, there are also some Died in Norway.

Thanks again for another good try.

No, she isn't buried with her parents. In fact, she is the first to be buried in the large plot.

Don't know her mother's maiden name yet. And, of course, Irish records are going to be VERY difficult. At this stage, don't even know whether or how many siblings.

So the reason for starting a new thread where no one can see all the efforts already made would be ...?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1153669

Is there the least chance she had been married before, and this was a previous married name?

Gosh you quick, Janey!

No, she deffo wasn't married before. Came from a very good Irish family, married a chap in the Indian Army, produced a gaggle of offspring out there, returned home when husband retired as Colonel, etc.

I am having lunch next month with her 100 year old, bright as a button youngest grand daughter (!!!!) and would love to able to get this little quirk sorted out by then.

I wasn't thinking divorce. ;)

It's possible - especially if she was marrying into the military - that she was widowed quite young.

With little hard data to go on in your post (things like date of birth, date of marriage, date of first child's birth) one is left a little clueless. But if the family knowledge is certain, then that's that!

Her dob is c.1835 - not confirmed yet, owing to Irish status and I haven't investigated yet to see if this one has survived.

We think that her maiden name was FITZGERALD, i.e., Frances Adelaide Fitzgerald.

Can't find the marriage yet either and feel that they probably married out in India. Her husband to be was 'born in India'.

Ooh, cancel that one. Have just found husband's entry in the India Office Records! States that they married on 7th April 1863. And also that she was born 5th February 1834. What a stroke of luck.

First child born 24th March 1864. Nine children altogether.

Some of them were born in India, some in Ireland including my G.G. Grandmother.

So getting to either the British Library or Irish Records to confirm her surname via her childrens' birth certificates is an added difficulty.

I'm going to put on a separate post to see if anyone goes to the British Library often and wouldn't mind looking up a birth or two for me.

Thanks you again.