Rose
you my dear I have to say is a huge huge star thank you so so so much im going to order it I think this will tie it all together I might have seen it and disregarded it as it being west derby(I didnt link it whatso ever to Liverpool),but because I have put it all together on here instead fo some bits on notepads on my desktop! Im sure now the alfred C looks like that but is in fact an E (wonderful old type curly writing hehe)
Witnesses to marriage one was a James Jameson who married emmas younger sister
Really appreciate that 2am and im still awake I remeber now why 3 years ago I gae up family history for a while. Will try and get it ordered but anyother suggestions are greatful
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This could be his birth cert:
Births Sep 1868 BROWN Alfred Edward W. Derby 8b 310
Rose
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The E stands for Edward according to the 1911 census.
Rose
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What about the witnesses to the marriage?
Rose
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Hi Jim
I remember the 1891 wasnt quite right he is alf not alfred :) Thank you my alfred married in Loppington shropshire in 1881 to an emma cox
In 1881 Emma is living in Eccles Manchester as a servant
I am still convinced there is some connection to the Browns in Toxteth Park with the parents coming from shropshire it all seems too coincidental. Any more suggestion greatful Jan (wishing she had a time machine )
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Still a C 1871 England Census about Alfred C Brown Name: Alfred C Brown Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's Name: Alfred Mother's Name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St Clement County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 57 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Brown 26 Martha Brown 35 Alfred C Brown 2 Martha Braddock 20
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1891 England Census about Alf E Brown Name: Alf E Brown Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St Cleopas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alf E Brown 23 Emma Brown 25 Martha E Brown 2 Alf Ed Brown 6/12
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I cant find a definate link to my great great grandfather. This is him in 1901 1901 100 Park Street Eccles
Alfred E Brown 32 Liverpool occ Railway Goods guard Emma Brown 37 loppington Shropshire Martha E Brown 12 loppington Alfred E 10 Loppington Emily 8 Patricroft Henry 5 Patricroft Annie 3 Patricroft Thomas 2months Patricroft I know its def my g granfathers dad as I have all the baptism records etc of Thomas and the other children On his marriage cert alfred snr is married to Emma Brown (nee cox) have their marriage cert they were married in shropshire.Father of alfred is stated as Alfred brown occ farmer
The only person on the census I can find which could be him younger is this View Record Preview Name: Alfred Brown Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Melverley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: St Clement County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 57 Household schedule number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Brown 26 Martha Brown 35 Alfred C Brown 2 (This is who I think is actually Alfred E Brown its not very clear on the actual copy but to me looks like an E) Martha Braddock 20 There seems to many links not to be him they are in Liverpool toxteh Park the same time as young Alfred was born (I also have found the marriage of Alfred and Martha) young alfreds parents were originally from shropshire which is where alfred went back to and maybe met emma cox? young alfreds mother is Martha and young alfreds eldest daughter is also martha,
I just need to see if someone else could suggest how to find out if I could find out for definate if this is my relative I have tried to find young alfreds birth but to no avail any suggestions would be greatfully received.
Thanks in advance Jan
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