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Sounds like Alice's father isn't named on the birth certificate because she was illegitimate - hence why you've found a birth registration for both an Alice Duckwith and an Ada Eleanor S Duckworth.

I would say the Duckworth/Duckwith thing is probably a spelling variant - sometimes people spelt their names in different ways and if the informant who registered Ada's birth (probably a parent?) was illiterate, they wouldn't know if the registrar had spelt it in the "right" or "wrong" way. (I've got a load in my tree who seem to switch between Grayson, Grayston and sometimes Graystone as and when they feel like it! And another lot that Masco, Maskew, Mascow, Mascough etc - more or less any old interpretation you can think of.)

It's also possible that Ada for some reason assumed the name Ramshaw for whatever reason - I think you can legally use any alias you want. Perhaps she even lived with a man named Ramshaw but never married him and Alice just assumed he was her stepfather so when she married Henry Stewart she gave her birth name but also mentioned that she was also known as Ramshaw?

I'm having trouble finding Ada Eleanor Duckwith on th 1901 census. Can you have a guess at the name that begins with 'S' on Alice's birth cert? I'm just wondering whether this is a surname and whether she is under 's' on the census.

It could be that Alice was illegitimate and that Ada Eleanor's real surname begins with 'S' and that she gave Alice the father's surname even though they were not married.

This looks like part of the same family as well. The Henry here is a nephew. The head of household is also Henry aged 40, a fisherman. Possibly John William's brother? There is also a son John W:


1891 England Census
about Henry Stewart
Name: Henry Stewart
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Alnmouth, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Alnmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Alnmouth
Town: Alnmouth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Alnwick
Sub registration district: Warkworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
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Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Stewart 40
Eleanor Stewart 38
Elizabeth Stewart 19
Henry Stewart 6
John W Stewart 1

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This is the only John Stewart I can find at the moment who happens to be a fisherman - do you think he is Henry's dad?


1881 England Census
about John Stewart
Name: John Stewart
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Dorothy
Gender: Male
Where born: Alnmouth, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Alnmouth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address: Front St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Fisherman

Registration district: Alnwick
Sub registration district: Warkworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
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Household Members:
Name Age
John Stewart 32
Dorothy Stewart 44
John G. Stewart 6

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Sorry Edna was supposed to be my dads older sister - so Henrys oldest child if mum hasn't got this wrong.
Alice was pregnant with Dad when they married. (about 5 months)

just relied and lost it will try again!
Just reread the marridge cert
Henrys dad - John William Stewart - Fisherman deceased
Alice Duckwith says "otherwise Ramshaw" - no family recorded
His address looks like 4 point street hers 12 queen street both north shields
On her birth cert the address is recorded as 1 point street tyneside so I guess they could have been neighbours at one time?
He is recorded as bacholour her as spinster so does this mean they were not married b4.
Thanks for your help we have been struggling!
Pat

Whose sister is Edna?

Is there a father's name on the marriage cert?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Henry Stewart
Name: Henry Stewart
Year of Registration: 1926
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's Surname: Duckwith
District: Tynemouth
County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 330a (click to see others on page)

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Alice Ramshaw 1926 Stewart Tynemouth Northumberland
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Henry Stewart 1926 Duckwith Tynemouth Northumberland
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Henry Stewart 1926 Ramshaw Tynemouth Northumberland
So she is Ramshaw/Duckwith

Trying to find Ada Eleanor on census at the moment - not having much luck. Quite a few Duckwiths, all from Yorkshire.

Birth for Alice Duckwith

Tynemouth 1904 A-J 10b 266.

Hi I am fairly new to this and I am not sure if someone can offer me some advice?
I am doing our family tree but struggling with my dads side. Unfortunately he passed away so I cannot ask him for any details and my mum has given me what she remembers...
Anyway, his mum was called Alice Duckwith born in Tynemouth in 1904. On her birth cert her mum Ada Eleanor S(cannot read name) Duckwith. No fathers name entered. When Alice married Henry Stewart (from Morpeth c1888) in 1926 he was 38 and she was 21 and now called RAMSHAW.
I have search bdm and cannot find any marridges to either Ada or Alice to a Ramshaw so wondered if Alice could have been adopted? If so is there a way of checking this?
Also the only Ada Eleanor S I can find is recorded on the register as DUCKWORTH born in 1885 in Southsheilds.
Also as Henry was 38 when he married which wasquite late back then and my mum remember poss an older sister called Edna how can I see if he was married before as stewart is a really common name in the area?
Sorry for so many questions and thanks for reading
Regards
Pat