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Hi, What date is on the marriage cert and what was Ann's maiden name?

1871

Name: William Ellis
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ham
Gender: Male
Where born: Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Stratford Le Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Bow
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Household Members: Name Age
William Ellis 30
Ham Ellis 27
J T Ellis 2
William Ellis 1
L Ellis 20 sister
J Thomson 23
William Palmer 30
E E Palmer 4 months
Mary A Musto 44


image reads Ann
All the rest are visitors


June x

Perhaps this one? The occupation (commercial traveller) and birthplace (Tower Hamlets) match the fathers' in 1881 that Ozibird found...

Name: J T Ellis
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ham
Gender: Male
Where born: Finsbury, London, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Stratford Le Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Bow
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Household Members:
Name Age
William Ellis 30
Ham Ellis 27
J T Ellis 2
William Ellis 1
L Ellis 20
J Thomson 23
William Palmer 30
E E Palmer 4 months
Mary A Musto 44

SNAP!

1871 England Census
Name: William Ellis
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ham
Gender: Male
Where born: Bow, London, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Stratford Le Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Bow
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 5 Milton Place

Name Age
William Ellis 30 - commercial traveller; Tower Hamlets
Ham Ellis 27 [Ann] - London, St Mary Axx
J T Ellis 2 - Finsbury
William Ellis 1
L Ellis 20 - sister; unmarried; cook; Tower Hamlets
J Thomson 23 - visitor
William Palmer 30 - visitor
E E Palmer 4 months - visitor's daughter
Mary A Musto 44 - lodger

If they were living in the same place in 1891 and 1902 (and assuming they hadn't moved about a bit in the meantime) have you tried looking up some of their 1891 neighbours and then trying to find them in 1901?

It is possible that they have been badly mistranscribed in 1901 but one of the neighbours might still be around ...

Jill

For reference:
1881 England Census
Name: William Ellis
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Tower Hill, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 53 Nelson St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Nautical Instument Traveler (Com)
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Ellis 40
Annie Ellis 37
James Ellis 12
Wm. Ellis 10
Annie Ellis 9
May Ellis 7
Harry Ellis 3
Minnie Ellis
William Smith 30

The marriage cert is hard to read but it looks as though they were living in Brick Lane, Middlesex.

In 1881 they were living in Nelson St, Mile End Town.

In 1891 they were living in Upper East Smithfield, Tower Hill.

Which is Ironically where they were living when Ann died in 1902. She'd been blind for 5yrs and died as a result of M.S.

Gypsyjoe

Hi Gypsyjoe
Can you let us know what town they were living in on the 81 census and if you have already found a marriage and where that took place
Thanks
Angela

I'm trying to find my Ellis branch and while I was able to find them in 1881 and 1891 but I can't seem to find the family before this.

The family are;

William Ellis c1840
Ann Ellis 1843 (this is exact as I have her birth cert) - wife
James Ellis 1869 - son
William Ellis 1871 - son

All other children including my great grandmother were born after this,

Annie 1872
May Eliza 1874
Harry 1877
Alfred 1879
Minnie 1880
Maud 1883

If anyone can give me some direction that would be great. I've been searching on find my past since that's where i have the credits but if someone thinks I'm better off searching elsewhere please let me know.

I'd be eternally greatfull.

thanks
gypsyjoe