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well, I found a marriage for George and Phoebe ..... see above.


Here is frederick's birth registration ..... if you buy that, that will tell you who his parents were


Births Jun 1858 (>99%)

Clements Frederick Bosmere 4a 509


To me it is fairly obvious that George married Phoebe in 1846. They then had several children, and Phoebe must have then died.

George then married Emma, and started a second family after 1876.


To prove this, you will need to get at least one birth certificate from each of the "two" families.



sylvia

Had a look on freebmd and couldnt find Phoebe's death and i agree with syliva u would need to buy the birth cert to confirm information

1841 Census

Name: George Clements
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Redgrave
Hundred: Hartismere
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Registration district: Hartismere
Sub registration district: Botesdale
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Clements 35
George Clements 7
John Clements 30




sylvia

so Emma harvey married George Clements in 1866


AND Emma Clements married George Clements in 1876????


Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)

Clements George Bosmere 4a 841
Harvey Emma Bosmere 4a 841


and

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)

CLEMENTS Emma Hartismere 4a 1128
CLEMENTS Frederick Hartismere 4a 1128
CLEMENTS George Hartismere 4a 1128
Fellingham Anna Myriah Hartismere 4a 1128


OK so discount this last one

George married Anna M, and Frederick married Emma, and all were in their 20s!!






sylvia

I dont get it Sylvia , that Frederick clements could well be child of emma and george that would make him 18 i think but marry emma clements?

That's what it says!!


Seh could be a cousin, close or distant.


Small village and all that!!



sylvia

Here's the 1881 Census ofr Frederick and Emma


Name: Frederick Clements
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Stonham A, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Stonham Aspall
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address: East End
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Bosmere
Sub registration district: Coddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Clements 2
Charles Clements 1
Emma Clements 24 b.ca 1857, Mendlesham, Suffolk
Frederick Clements 22


sylvia

Very true thankyou Sylvia I've learned a whole lot more tonight. I may have some Clements relatives !

Emma on ealrier censuses

1871 Census

Name: Emma Clements
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Gender: Female
Where born: Mendlesham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Mendlesham
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Registration district: Hartismere
Sub registration district: Mendlesham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Clements 14 Housemaid
Elizabeth Palmer 10 months
Emily Palmer 21
Henry Palmer 27 Grocer & Draper

Address:- Front Street


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can't find her on the 1861 census



sylvia

burial date

1 May 1861 Phoebe CLEMENTS 32 Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert

You might as well have the whole list of results for that surname in theis church (NBI) in case they fit anywhere

1 May 1861 Phoebe CLEMENTS 32 Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert
19 May 1861 George CLEMENTS 13w Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert
7 May 1863 Ada Maude CLEMENTS inf Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert
2 Jun 1869 Samuel CLEMENTS 81 Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert
10 Jan 1881 Hannah CLEMENTS 82 Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert
7 Jul 1887 Priscilla CLEMENTS 66 Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert
2 Jun 1896 Rebecca CLEMENTS 47 Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert
23 Aug 1900 Edward Charles CLEMENTS 14d Suffolk Stonham Aspal, St Mary & St Lambert