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Ellie
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29 Jul 2008 16:40 |
Please help! You guys are all so brilliant on here that I would like to ask a favour ....
I am looking for Humphrey William Price, who appears on the 1901 census living in Morriston, Swansea, Wales with his wife Ann, stepson John (my g.grandfather) and son William Henry Price.
The census states he was born in Liverpool around 1848, however the only other census I can find with a Hum* Price born around the same time and in the same place is the 1851.
There are no sensible entries for 1891, 1881, 1871 or 1861. He just seems to have disappeared!
I want to find out if he had any other children before William and I would like to trace the Price line, as my mother remembers staying with them as a child.
I would be really grateful if you could help.
Thanks. Ellie
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Heather
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29 Jul 2008 16:45 |
What was his occupation? Was he likely to have been at sea or in the military?
To save us all looking, can you put on the census where its definitely him please.
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Ellie
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29 Jul 2008 17:00 |
Sorry, citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5071; Folio: 193; Page: 22
His occupation is down as a Coal Agent (own account). I assume therefore that he was self employed.
The address is 923 Neath Road, Morriston, Swansea. The house is still there and I have taken photos of it!
Many thanks.
Ellie
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Heather
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29 Jul 2008 17:10 |
So this is him is 1851? Dad David is a Baptist Minister? Could you confirm its the right bloke before anyone looks any further please?
Name: Humphrey Price Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Father's Name: David Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Liverpool Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Liverpool Sub registration district: Mount Pleasant ED, institution, or vessel: 1e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Household Members: Name Age William Davies 46 Aaron Price 10 David Price 36 Elizabeth Price 38 Humphrey Price 2 Miriam Price 13 John Williams 16
Birth: Humphrey William Price Year of Registration: 1848 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 1064
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Name: Humphrey W Price Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Father's Name: David Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Everton; Liverpool Civil Parish or Township: Bridell County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration district: Cardigan Sub registration district: Cardigan ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 4 Household Members: Name Age David Price 44 Elizabeth Price 45 Humphrey W Price 12 Miriam Price 22
If it is this one - the 21 year old son was born in Wales, so assume dad was there abouts at the time in 1881:
Name: William Henry Price Age in 1901: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Son Father's Name: Humphrey Wm Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Comwil Elvet, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil Parish: Swansea Ecclesiastical parish: Llangyfelach County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration district: Swansea Sub registration district: Llangafelach ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 111 Household Members: Name Age John Davies 30 Ann Price 50 Humphrey Wm Price 53 William Henry Price 21
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Ellie
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29 Jul 2008 17:21 |
I've had to assume the 1851 one is correct, although I know nothing about him other than what is on the 1901 census in terms of date and place of birth.
Well done for finding the 1861 stuff - it is certainly the same family as 1851. I guess in this business you have to make a certain amount of educated guesses and assumptions.
Thanks, Heather.
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***Rose Tea***
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29 Jul 2008 17:33 |
could be a possible for 1881 census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Humphrey William PRICE Other M Male 30 Barmouth, Merioneth, Wales Master (MS) William WILLIAMS Other M Male 35 Nevin, Caernarvon, Wales Mate (MS) Hugh WILLIAMS Other U Male 19 Nevin, Caernarvon, Wales A.B. Seaman (MS) Robert JONES Other U Male 16 Llanbeder, Merioneth, Wales O. Seaman (MS)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Vessel "Elizabeth & Ellen" Census Place Falmouth, Cornwall, England Family History Library Film 1341556 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2318 / 225
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Heather
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29 Jul 2008 17:34 |
There is an HW Price on the US immigration lists out of Liverpool, a sailor, crew but born 1852.
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Heather
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29 Jul 2008 17:43 |
The son William was born c1880
Comwil Elvet, Carmarthenshire, Wales
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Steve
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29 Jul 2008 17:43 |
Indeed - 'Rose tea' ~ give or take a year for age gaps - this looks a likely contender :-)
Cornwall Online Census Project, transcript of Piece RG11/2318 (Elizabeth & Ellen) Carnarvon,1,Humphrey William Price,Crew,M,30,,Master,Barmouth
Cheers ~ Steve.
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Heather
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29 Jul 2008 17:51 |
Got to rush, havent checked this but 1891:
Name: William Price Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Llangyfelach Ecclesiastical parish: Llangyfelach Town: Morriston County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration district: Swansea Sub registration district: Llangyfelach ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann Price 47 >>>John Davis Price 20 Your GGF?(Doesnt say Price on original - working as a Post Messenger) William Price 37 William Hy Price 11 View original image
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Heather
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30 Jul 2008 14:19 |
Now this is totally mad and probably nothing to do with your lot, but for some reason I cant help going back to it. 1881: The guy back at the office transcribing it has made a good old mess on the page and it just makes me wonder how accurate ages etc. are.
ame: John Davis Stephens Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Step Son Gender: Male Where born: Carmarthen Town, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil Parish: Clase County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: 42 Witchtree St Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: Not In School Registration district: Swansea Sub registration district: Llangyfelach ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Anne Price 24 W.H. Price 2 John Davis Stephens 4
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Ellie
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11 Aug 2008 16:40 |
Heather,
Apologies for coming back to you so late on this, but thank you very much. I think you're right - John Davis Stephens probably says Step son or something instead! The other family members certainly look right.
On reflection, I'm not sure the William Humphrey Price from the Elizabeth & Ellen is right, as the place as well as the year of birth seem to be out. Thanks to Rose Tea and Steve for that, though.
Regards, Ellie
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