Genealogy Chat

Hi Lissy

I have fingers and toes crossed!!! Thank you for all your help.

Sarah

Sarah,
I've just checked through the list of records on microfilm at Worcester and there appears to be only one that would fit in with your dates --Kidderminster St Mary, all the other churches are either 'originals only' -which would be held by the church themselves or at the record office, or the marriage dates for the other churches are too late for the time we are looking at, so fingers crossed it shouldn't take too long to find if they married at St Mary
Lissy

Lissy, that would be amazing!! Thank you so much.

I have found Charles Mason marrying Eliza Norman in the Jun Qtr, 1848 at Kidderminster, Worcestershire. K kindly found for me a record of their marriage on the IGI Pedigree for 3 May 1848 at Kidderminster, with Charles's father being William Mason.

No rush, September would be fine. Once again, thank you very much for your kind offer.

Sarah

Hi Sarah,
Just a thought here, if you can give me as much detail as you can on dates and possibles for the marriage of Eliza Norman and Charles Mason, to save you the cost of ordering their marriage cert. which would give you the definate name of her father, I can look them up at Worcester history centre, I may not be able to go until early September because of school holidays, but I'll gladly look up the original marriage record for you as I'm quite a regular with the microfilms!

Wow Reg

That sounds like a real possibility. Amberley is not in my AA Atlas, but I will go back onto Google maps to find out exactly where it is. That would mean that 'my' Eliza Norman could be the Elizabeth Norman at Credenhill in the 1841 census.

Thank you so much for your help.

Hi LD and Lissy

Thanks for all your help.

I actually have just been out and brought myself the AA Road Atlas of Britain, so hopefully I can have more luck sussing out where all these places are in relation to each other. I will also check out the Google maps UK site as well.

Just looking at the google map, as I've been researching family on the Herefordshire Shropshire borders for a while, picking out Credenhill, the closest sounding match to Ambury is Almeley which is about 10miles away. I also found a Lower Bullingham, closer to Hereford town and about 15 miles away from Almeley -which sits on the Shropshire border, of course back then, as I said b4 the borders between Hereford, Worcester and Shropshire were different to what they are today.
Have a look at Google maps uk -it's pretty useful when plotting where our ancestors lived.

I cannot think of anywhere near Credenhill that sounds like Ambury. Avenbury is near Bromyard, about 20 miles from Gredenhill.

Hi guys

I am now rethinking things.

I have noticed on the shipping record for Eliza Mason arriving in Australia, two different places of origin. One is Ambury, Shropshire and the other is Ambury, Herefordshire.

I have found on the IGI a baptism for Elizabeth Norman in 1817 in Upper Bullingham, Hereford to parents Thomas Norman and Sarah. I have then found the family in the 1841 census at Credenhill, Grimsworth, Herefordshire, sub reg Burghill.

Lissy, you mentioned an Avenbury in Herefordshire. Is that anywhere near the places mentioned in the IGI or census? Is there anywhere near Credenhill or Upper Bullingham that sounds like Ambury?

Charles and Eliza Mason named their eldest children Thomas and Sarah.

I hope it,s her - I know the Countess of Huntingdon Hall well - It is now used as concert venue - with the pulpet still in place

Thanks for that K

I am just off to bed, so will check them out in the morning.

I think 'my' Eliza Mason was bap 1817 at Birdport Street Countess of Huntingdons or Calviniworcesterodist, Worcester to parents John Norman and Margaret Heap. She seems to be the only Eliza Mason in the 1841 census that fits. Though I am not sure how that fits in with the Ambury, Shropsire, that she put on her passenger list for Australia. Obviously, I still have more work to do!!

Avenbury near Bromyard is really a very tiny parish rather than a settlement - with very few scattered houses - near where I live - and halfway across Herefordshire from the Shropshire border. I would think it unlikely

Having said the above I did find the following birth in the adjoining parish - which is probalby a complete red herring

ELIZA Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 02 NOV 1828 Stanford Bishop, Hereford, England
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Parents:
Father: JAMES NORMAN Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

I did also find the following on the IGI which lists Charles father as William


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CHARLES MASON Pedigree
Male Family
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Event(s):
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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MASON Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZA NORMAN Family
Marriage: 03 MAY 1848 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

Thank you Lissy

That sounds very interesting - something else for me to follow up.

I am so grateful for all the help I have been given tonight.

Just to throw another spanner in the works Avenbury Bromyard Herefordshire is only about 10 miles from Cleobury Mortimer and at one time the Shropshire Herefordshire Worcestershire borders were a lot closer than they are today.

Thanks Reg, I will do that. Should help to clear my head and sort out where's where.

Thank you Reg

I am starting to work out the geography, with lots of help from all you guys!!

Hi LD.

Thank you also. You must have submitted while I was typing!! Very exciting. Sounds like the Charles Mason in Bridgnorth could well be the same Charles Mason who put Madeley on his shipping record.

Thank you so much Sarah

I actually feel like I am starting to trace Charles and Eliza, after many months of struggling to find anything!

Can anyone recommend a good website where I could see where all these places (St Clements, Kidderminster, Hanbury, Madeley, Bridgnorth and Cleobury Mortimer) lie in relation to each other? It is always difficult when some place names are towns or villages, while others are parishes or areas.

Another option for Ambury is Arley which is just off the Kidderminster - Bridgnorth road.

"Do you know where Cleobury Mortimer or Bridgnorth are in relation to Kidderminster, Madeley or Alveley?"

There is a road that runs from the Madeley area, through Bridgnorth and on to Kidderminster. Bridgnorth is roughly half way between the two. Alveley is also on the same road between Bridgnorht and Kidderminster.

Cleobury Mortimer is to the south-west of Bridgnorth.