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well thats all the certs ordered. i have ordered harrys birth and the two death certs for emma and thomas and emmas marriage cert. thats no wine or chocolate for me for a month now. thanks once again for all your help it is very much appreciated and i will let you know how i get on
linda

I am thinking perhaps his mother died and Harry was adopted, maybe though, by relatives.

Anyway, there are two deaths Jan/Feb/March 1876 in Warrington of two women called Emma Timperley (which might tie up with the marriage listed above of Thomas Timperley and Emma which Christine found).

One born 1831 and one 1861. Is one of these his mother and did she die in childbirth?

Emma Timperley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 15
District: Warrington
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 90 (click to see others on page

Emma Timperley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 45
District: Warrington
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 90 (click to see others on page)

It would be interesting to look at these death certificates.

If Harry is the correct person, his birth is here:-
Harry Timperley 1876 - Jan/Feb/Mar - Warrington, Cheshire.
Harry Timperley
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Warrington
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 132 (click to see others on page)

This would tell you who his original parents are.

christine off to bed now have to be up for 5 for work tomorrow. i wonder if william howards wife sarah had anything to do with this family perhaps ??
thanks for everything
linda

FreeBMD has some probably relevant deaths - see Warrington (which includes Newton in Makerfield).

Christine

Cheshire BMD (Marriages) has a marriage in 1850 Warrington, St Paul, for:
Thomas TIMPERLEY and Emma CRAWFORD

Christine

Cheshire BMD (Births), Halton (Runcorn) has:

1846-50 6 names including a Caroline
1851 ~ Sarah
1852 ~ Lucy
1854 ~ Jane* and Kate
1860 ~ Thomas
1862 ~ Samuel
1864 ~ Emma
1865 ~ William Henry

*There's a Jane, aged 16, the family in 1871.

Christine

The same family is here:
1871 RG10/3899 fo 107? (poss 108) p18
wife's name is v hard to read - and doesn't look much like "Emma"


1861 RG9/2598 fo 112 p 3
wife's name = Emma

christine you are a superstar i dont know how you do all this wonder what the connection with the howard family and the timperley family was ?
thanks linda x

If it's that family, then the likely candidates are in Eccleston, Lancs in 1881:
RG11/3735 fo 129 p 28

Father, a widower, Thomas 48, baker, b Runcorn, Cheshire (corrected from my misreading as "Yorkshire")

Christine

On the other hand, it seems much more likely that he'd be the Harry TIMPERLEY, registered 1876, Newton-le-Willows St Helens (no MMN, yet, I'm afraid)

Putting in Timperley and St Helens also picks up:
1866 ~ Mary
1869 ~ William Henry
1871 ~ Walter
1873 ~ Rebecca

1890 ~ William H

Christine

I just found a set of records that go with the one that Margaret Manson found (today 17:55).

Whether or not it goes with your family, I don't know. I thought that the set of info I collected might help you to decide one way or the other.

Christine

christine i am not sure who these people are . could you explain who you think the henry timperley marrying in 1877 is ?

Births Mar 1876

TIMPERLEY Harry Warrington 8c 132

so this looks like the harry timperley who was on the census as being adopted

so still not sure where my henry timperley is
linda

Putting in MMN = MILLER, Henry had the following (probable) siblings:

1878 ~ William
1880 ~ Ellen
1882 ~ George
1884 ~ Ann
1887 ~ James
1889 ~ John
1892 ~ Thomas Miller
1894 ~ Robert

Christine

I've just had a look on Lancs BMD:

Henry TIMPERLEY married Jane MILLER in 1877 Lancaster, St Thomas

Henry TIMPERLEY was b (or registered) 1886 , Heaton, Preston, MMN = MILLER

Christine

thanks everyone for looking i think the harry timperley might be the one . if he was adopted is their anyway to find out about the adoption?
thanks everyone for you help
linda

If it's not him we'll need names of his parents etc.

The adopted son Harry from 1901 is also an adopted son in both 1881 and 1891.

1891

Harry Timperley
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Adopted Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Earlestown, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Newton in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Newton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Warrington
Sub registration district: Newton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Arnold 6
Mary Arnold 12
Jane Howard 23
John Howard 25
Mary Howard 3
Sarah Howard 55
Thomas Howard 1
William Smith 24
Harry Timperley 15


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The closest one that I can see in 1891 was born 1886 in Morecambe, Lancashire. His parents were Henry & Jane and they are living in Poulton Bare & Torrisholme, Lancs.
This looks like his birth on BVRI:

TIMPERLEY, Henry Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1886
Christening Date: 25 Jan 1886 Recorded in: Adlington, Lancashire, England
Father: Henry TIMPERLEY
Mother: Jane
Source: FHL Film 1526062 Dates: 1876 - 1900