Genealogy Chat

Good morning all...............Could someone tell me what checks I could ask for on a death certificate when I am not sure of the age but have it narrowed down to a possible period of 2 years of when he died . Been looking for so long and also I have bought wrong ones. .... ..........The local office to where I thought his death shoild have been registered has not got a record. Thank you

Margaret

Is this before ages were shown in the index?

If so, you could ask for eg. must be over 30.........or whatever age fits.
At least that way you wouldn't be buying children's certificates.

Can you tell us a bit about him, ....maybe we could offer more suggestions?

Gwyn

If your not sure of the age have you tried looking for a marriage cert first and ordering that?

Rose

Hi I have his marriage cert. and all of his childrens birth certs. and his childrens marriage certs. His age on on his marriage cert. is way out and on the 1881 census it differs by 10 years. He died between 1889......1891 I beleive his name William Poole no second name his wife remarried in 1893.

Margaret

Where is he in 1881, ? Please could you post details so we can see him.?

For clarification, ...What gives you the 1889 date?

Gwyn

Have you tried under ===*Pool,*,,,,,,,, instead of Poole.............?

Hi Kay yes I have tried under Pool and Paul everything I can think of I am sure it is not there although I don't know how that would be possible

Margaret

Hi Woodpecker,

Quote his wifes name as a check point,if his age isnt right on it to what you belive... it wont matter so much as getting the right wife,


,,,if you give a 3 year span, between ie 1800,..1803.....,GRO will refund part of cost if they dont find it in that time,,,this way is better done via phone than online....

Have you got the last 2 children marriage certificates,to see if he was down a deceased,?

It won't say.....Husband of.... on a man's death certificate.
His wife might not be the informant either.
I have certificates where a sister-in-law or even a neighbour informed.

Gwyn

Is the wife described as a widow on 1891 census?

Thank you all, The last child born to Wlliam and his wife Emma was early 1889 Albert Walter Poole he was down as Father ............................he had 2 children born 1872 and 1874 one boy George born 1882. When the first girl got married in 1892 the father was down as deceased. he came from Haverhill but they moved to Edmonton Middx before the 1881 census. Emma was a widow on the 1891 census she married a Thomas Williams in 1893 here they are in 1881.



Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William POOLE Head M Male 44 Haverhill, Suffolk, England Labour
Emma POOLE Wife M Female 31 Haverhill, Suffolk, England
Emma POOLE Dau Female 8 Haverhill, Suffolk, England
Kate POOLE Dau Female 6 Haverhill, Suffolk, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 15 Angel Road
Census Place Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341338
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1388 / 34


Margaret

Have you found him before 1881? Who was his father?

Rose

If the last child was b in early 1889 he could have died in late 1888.

Huia.

It would be useful to see if you could find a baptism record for the 2 boys.

I find the large age gaps interesting and also the names.
Although not a requirement it is worth noting that it would seem that neither child was named after his paternal grandfather ( going by 1851 info. )

WAS William the father I wonder,....or was he already dead?


Gwyn

Hi Gwyn, Yes I have thought the same thing. Williams father was named George ant the first son William had born in 1882 was name George William Poole so take it that is named after his grandfather and father. Also William had a brother named George.







I have not found William on the 1871 census nor 1861 census but have found his wife Emma and her family.


I don't about the age gap in between children.......... if his 2 sisters are anything to go by they only produced one between the 2 of them....................................................


What record was you looking at for the 1851 census please. Also I have looked for a death earlier

regards Margaret

My mistake then......
I searched on Williams born in Haverhill in 1851.

There seem to be alot of POOLEs from that area..........

Gwyn

Hi Gwyn good morning to you the problem is I beleive he was born in 1831 which would make him a lot older I know . When his wife remarried one of the witness's was a James Poole whom I beleive was his brother so I harrdly think she would have had him as a witness if William had not died......................

Even on Williams marriage cert. there was a mix up I got the one from the GRO and also got the original from the local office they crossed out one name put in Williams so if they made a mistake on the name they could have on the age age and that did not get altered.


I really did not think someone could die and the death was not registered but perhaps this one slipped through the net!!



This i beleive is the family from the 1841 census

George Pool
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Haverhill
Hundred: Risbridge
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Risbridge
Sub registration district: Haverhill
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Pool 25
Maria Pool 25
William Pool 9
George Pool 8
Hannah Pool 6
James Pool 2

which I think would make William a lot older than it says in the 1881 census.

Thank you for reading my thread

Margaret

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Did Emma move between the birth of her last child with William and her remarriage?
I'm thinking that if you could check burial records for the nearby parish church, you might find William's burial recorded.

Alternatively is there a nearby cemetery which has records which could be checked for the relevant years?

Gwyn