Genealogy Chat

I'm fairly certain that Septimus would have been the seventh child. So from the 1861 image there is only one child missing which is probably the William who had already died.

Hi,

Just following up (partly) on the q abt Finkle Street Hull.

Putting this into Google comes up with a little map inset that identifies it as a street just off Blanket Row, fairly close to the centre of Hull.

Asking Ancestry to find anyone in 1881 (keywords Hull and Fink*) brings up 86 people in the Humber sub-district of Hull, ED 3.

Conveniently, the same district in 1851 includes Finkle Street. That ED is 68 pages long and Finkle Street is somewhere in the middle. Sadly, no time to look now - hope this is of some help.

(Or have FMP done this area of the 1851 census? It would be a much quicker way of looking!)

Hello Ivy,

I know its late and I am tired but what is FMP?
I am not very up on the abreviations so look forward to reply.
Thank you for the help. Just to let you know Blanket Row is still there but there are no houses just new factories etc. I was in Hull at the weekend and drove past.
Regards Linda

Linda.
FMP is Find My Past. www.findmypast.com. It is a pay per view
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On the records board
Find my past.......Mrs Tibbs offering to do look ups
Debs needs a change is the name she goes under.

Adding to Athena's info.
James Robert Gardiner married Mary Catherine Pybus 1857 sept qt Leeds gro ref 9b 329.

Also you say Francis Gardiners first wife was Sarah Pybus.The marriage 1846 June qt Pontefract. Was the Sarah Dyson on the same page as Francis Gardener ( note spelling)a mistake?


1841 census.
Sarah Pybus 1836 living Pontefract. Obviously too young to be married in 1846. She is working as a servant in 1851

Hi Linda, sorry about the acronym, as Margaret says, I should have said FindMyPast - I have just checked and they do not yet have the 1851 census online.

If you search for Francis Chew b 1811 on the 1851 Ancestry transcription, click for the image and scroll down the page, you get to 22 Finkle Street. The ref is Class: HO107; Piece: 2362; Folio: 111; Page: 47 (of 68).

Hello again.
Sorry I made a mistake. I should have said Francis Gardiner married Sarah Dyson in 1846 in Pontefract and not Sarah Pybus. Sarah Dyson died in Hull in 1848 then Francis married Mary Johnson. Sorry about the confuson. Getting carried away. I have now received two certs. One a birth for Francis Gardner born in Hull 1851. Parents Francis Gardner - Waterman and mother Mary Johnson. I also received a death cert for this boy in 1862. He died in Hull trying to tie up the barge (his name on this cert is Francis Gardiner. Mary had two children died that year one Mary Elizabeth Gardiner in July and Francis in September. What a life they led.
I am at the moment ploughing my way through the 1851 census to find my Francis and Mary in Finkle Street. How I wish I had kept better records when I first started over 20 years ago. I must have seen this address or I would not have written it down. I have a copy of their marriage cert and it gives both their addresses as Finkle Street and I am wondering if when I was looking at actual records in Beverley at the time it gave their address as Beerhouse Finkle Street.
As we live on the south coast it will be some time before we can get back up north then I will check with the original records to see if the address was a Beerhouse on the original.
Thank you all for your help. I never thought I would get so much information. It has certainly given me some work to do.
Linda

Hi Linda,

Had you found any baptisms for the children at the Beverley RO? I wonder if your note "1851 Finkle St" was from a baptism - the family may have moved there between the birth and the baptism ... and after the 1851 census ... ?

Linda.
Finkle Street is in the Humber district 3 incase you didnt know


Also what was Mary Johnson fathers name and occ from the marriage cert.? Did you figure out if you have the correct marriage?

Just incase.
1851 census
living 13 Finkle St.
John Johnson 1801 Hull occ something turner
Hannah wife 1797 Selby
William A son 1829 Hull occ journeyman turner
Ann E dau 1832 Hull occ dressmaker
William Etherington son in law 1824 Hull occ ironmomger warehouseman
Mary J Etherington dau 1826 Hull occ dressmaker
Charles Etherington grandson 1850 Hull
William Kirley( could be Kirby) lodger 1775 Beverley occ musician.also hes blind
Mary Jackson lodger 1817 Barrow ion Humber Lincolnshire occ takes in washing

Hello everyone,

On the marriage cert of Francis and Mary it gives 'late George Tindal Johnson - Grocer' for Mary's father. I can only assume I have the right Francis and Mary from my grandfathers birth cert. I first found the marriage for Francis and Sarah and then the death of Sarah in Hull. After a while I found the second marriage of Francis to Mary and assume I have the right Francis and Mary as they married in Hull. The other Francis and Mary married in Wakefield.
One thing I have noticed on the certs is that Mary could not read or write but Francis appears to be able to. On the Wakefield pair X is put for Francis when he registers some births. This again I think proves I have the right pair. I have just noticed on their marriage cert (Francis and Mary Hull) they only have one witness and its a Henry French. This could be an uncle. I shall now look up that name on the 1851 census to see if they were living with him. Has anyone come accross only one witness before. I thought you have to have two?
Anyway will go now to look up this new lead.
Bi
Linda

From the IGI
George Tindall Johnson married Mary Ann French 23 Nov 1829 Holy Trinity Kingston upon Hull
Batch no M107481.

There is a Henry French marriage to Sarah Linskill same batch no.
You can find the others

1851 census.
Henry French 1794 N Shields occ shipowner employing 16 men
Frances wife 1807 Hull
Samuel Boddy bro in law 1815 Hull.

Address Neptune St Kingston upon Hull

Just of interest living 2 doors away

James Johnson 1803 Walkinton Yorkshire occ brewer and victualler
Maria wife 1817 Bilton Yorkshire


The Henry French who married Sarah is probably the one living Sculcoates

Thanks Margaret.
I have had a look and I think the Henry French must have been an uncle. I have looked up Henry and Sarah French on the 1851 census and next door lives Sarahs (I think ) mother and father. I cannot make out their occupations though.
Thanks for help
Linda

Just out of interest.

Neptune Street in Hull at that time was very exclusive. Later in the 1890/1900's is became quite a slum. Then Smith and Nephew the pharacuticle company moved in. Neptune street is now exclusively Smith and Nephew with massive buildings. I used to live in Hull and everytime I go back I am amazed at the changes. I just wish I was into family history when I lived there.

Me again.
Sorry I meant to say Her mother and sister were living next door in 1851 not mother and father.